Something I don't get.. Plot hole?
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Stealth_Cobra — 10 years ago(October 27, 2015 10:58 PM)
Verbal would have it easy to kill the rest of the crew if he was posing as one of them. He could walk up to them, then kill them before they react.
The fact he gets picked up by the police in the first place is what gets to me ? Was that part of the plan, and if so, what kind of plan was that ? Did he get the truck with the money out of the docks ? I'm guessing he got caught while smuggling it out or something ? Why is the police so willing to cut him an immunity deal if he's the only surviving suspect in a drug deal gone back , and after he admits he killed people during some of the pre-boat robberies.
If they were no drugs on the boat, why didn't he simply blow the boat up with explosives ? Why send a couple of guys on a boat in hopes that they will single-handedly wipe out all the crew of heavily armed men. Nothing worth salvaging on the boat anyway, just nuke it. I get that he wanted to get rid of the usual suspects, since they interfered with his work in the past, but that seems like a pretty high risk ,low security plan for a supposededly "criminal mastermind".
Also, for a criminal mastermind, he sure is sloppy. He left one burn victim witness alive, he allows himself to get caught, having his fingerprint and current identity revealed, then he proceed to explain a good portion of what probably transpired. Nowadays, they know his face, his voice, his alias, have his fingerprints and even have someone to testify against him.
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Stratego — 10 years ago(October 28, 2015 08:18 AM)
The fact he gets picked up by the police in the first place is what gets to me ? Was that part of the plan, and if so, what kind of plan was that ?
His plan was to get caught by the police so he could feed them the nonsense story about a dope deal gone wrong and they'd close the case as soon as possible.
Did he get the truck with the money out of the docks ?
I don't think so. He didn't care about the money, it wasn't his anyway. I believe you can already hear sirens when Soze is fleeing from the ship. The police probably found Verbal at or near the docks.
Why is the police so willing to cut him an immunity deal if he's the only surviving suspect in a drug deal gone back , and after he admits he killed people during some of the pre-boat robberies.
Because he's the only surviving witness, they have no one else. And because, as the detective mentions, he was protected from up high by "the prince of darkness".
If they were no drugs on the boat, why didn't he simply blow the boat up with explosives ?
How was he going to do that? Someone had to sneak on board just like they do in the movie (in the original script Keaton does actually place an explosive on the ship). Besides, he had to personally shoot the rat and make sure he was dead. The rest of the gang had to kill off all other witnesses and die themselves. An explosion alone wouldn't be good enough.
Also, for a criminal mastermind, he sure is sloppy.
His plan wasn't completely airtight, but that's because the rat he wanted dead was heavily guarded. He had to kill many people to succeed, it was a very risky plan.
Nowadays, they know his face, his voice, his alias, have his fingerprints and even have someone to testify against him.
As was said in the movie by the detectives, that doesn't matter, he's not going to show his face again. He's not that much different than Keaton. They knew exactly who he was, but he was able to fake his death and get away with his crimes. Even if the Hungarian recovers from his wounds, I doubt he's going to live for very long. -
move_over_fatso — 10 years ago(January 02, 2016 08:34 PM)
The fact he gets picked up by the police in the first place is what gets to me ?
Verbal Kint is a career criminal. He's been charged & convicted for fraud before. The myth Kaiser Soze is supposed to be some super-evil criminal genius. The real man, Verbal Kint (assuming he is Soze) is only interested in using the myth to further his goals.
Why is the police so willing to cut him an immunity deal if he's the only surviving suspect in a drug deal gone back
Its the FBI/DOJ that cut Verbal the immunity deal. They just want to put a close to their paperwork ordeal, and build evidence against the cartel they're chasing. Prosecutors will never willingly cut an immunity deal with someone actually responsible for committing the crime, but they will cut an immunity deal with an accomplice, as long as they have someone to hang (the cartel). Verbal still has to preserve his deal with the Feds. The possible error is Verbal willing to string along Kujan, from US Customs, rather than dummy up, but con men are supposed to be sociopaths
If they were no drugs on the boat, why didn't he simply blow the boat up with explosives ?
Kint did have Hockney setup explosives around the boat, but he didn't have a way to plant explosives to blow up the boat from the inside. And as long is it was a drug deal gone bad, the Feds would not conclude that it was actually a hit on someone they were developing as a cooperating witness (one hand doesn't know what the other is doing). And contrary to your belief, its not easy to blow up and sink a small cargo ship to "guarantee" the human target dies in the ship, and not jump overboard. -
the_notorious_bid — 10 years ago(February 15, 2016 07:16 PM)
Actually,
We don't know how much of the "story" is true. Is Keaton the supposed fall-guy or was he the brains? Verbal says that Keaton knows him and says Verbal's okay. If Verbal's Keyser Soze, how does Keaton know him from his previous work?
Does Keaton suspect Verbal at any time before the boat job or did it just occur to him when he was about to be killed? I have to assume that the opening scene is "completely true" because it was not part of the story which Verbal was relating. -
gottaluvafriend — 9 years ago(September 18, 2016 10:24 PM)
Because it doesn't matter what the cops know, or think or claim to know. They can't do anything to anybody without evidence of a crime. Keyser Soze leaves no evidence behind, and then poof! he's gone.