Plot Holes and things to explain and character Fates
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demolition18 — 13 years ago(August 25, 2012 01:46 PM)
It appears to be a plot hole with minor character fates not seen resolved. There is a cut out scene when John Spartan fights the henchman to Simon Phoenix played by Jesse "The Body" Ventura but deleted scenes don't usually count and Jesse Ventura had a minor part and another alternate scene mentioned long ago John Spartan while going after Simon Phoenix shoots up a member of his gang.
There was long ago a thread called "number of thugs".
Following the death of Dr. Raymond Cocteau, it is clear they are four CryoCons still free besides Simon Phoenix. Two battle Spartan and Huxley as they enter the building. Huxley knocks one out and shoots the other dead. The fate of the other two cons, including Jesse Ventura's character, is left unresolved.
How do we know that 2 of the six aren't free? We somehow figured that they were killed or incapacitated in the Wasteland battle as they don't appeared to be captured by Alfredo Garcia and armed scraps. There could appear to be driving off Simon Phoenix's gang as Lenina Huxley and John Spartan go after Simon Phoenix and even Raymond Cocteau. There's a thing saying still free on 4 other cryocons.
How could they still consider this a plot hole that 2 other cons fates are left unresolved when there were minor characters? We could expect them defeated. I kind of figured that Lenina Huxley with John Spartan don't start going after Simon Phoenix's accomplices along with Simon Phoenix himself until near the end when Simon Phoenix has his henchmen killed Dr. Raymond Cocteau and throw his body in the fire. Heres a thing on a wiki description.
Upon confronting Cocteau, an arrest warrant is placed on Spartan. Despite this, Spartan is able to convince Huxley to help him hunt for Phoenix in the subterranean passages where Edgar Friendly's resistance force lives.
When Spartan encounters the resistance force, he learns they are refugees who have refused to give up their way of life as required by Dr. Cocteau's utopia and have been forced to live in the wastelands of old Los Angeles. Spartan deduces that during his CryoPrison stay Phoenix was given a mental block that prevents him from killing Dr. Cocteau and fed the suggestion to kill Friendly. This would eliminate the last resistance to the Cocteau regime, something that the pacifist San Angeles Police Department is incapable of doing. Phoenix and his gang attempt to kill both Spartan and Friendly, but Friendly has retained his combat skills, and the two of them and Huxley drive them off.
It's as if John Spartan and his allies making Simon Phoenix's gang members disappear as they vanish like magic and they get erased.
Maybe Edgar Friendly drives off some thugs when Lenina Huxley and John Spartan pursue Simon Phoenix underground to the surface to when in a cut out scene Simon Phoenix kills Zachary Lamb. Also then near the end when Lenina Huxley and John Spartan go after Simon Phoenix and even Raymond Cocteau Lenina Huxley knocks out one henchmen and shoots the other dead maybe she and John Spartan drive off 2 more (one of them played by Jesse "The Body" Ventura). I kind of thought years ago they even go after Simon Phoenix's accomplices and some get away by the very end. If an escaped con sprung some other cons they should be going after them to try to arrest them. I kind of figured in the novelization John Spartan had been wanting to kill Simon Phoenix and wanting to even kill his gang out there. Wanting to kill those cons who survived the underground battle.
In the novelization there is John Spartan identifying 2 dead henchmen to Lenina Huxley and told her that there were more accomplices to Simon Phoenix down there as he wants to kill them.
The oldsmobile roared into the night. There were bad guys out there. John Spartan was going to find them and kill them.
This is that John Spartan couldn't help wonder how many of those 45 out of 200 prisoners that are his arrests Simon Phoenix had sprung to join him in cutting a violent swath in the future.
So much made up on the Internet and don't believe everything said on wikis or the Internet movie database. There are even nitpicks on this movie. It appears that 2 more of Simon Phoenix's goons disappeared at the fireplace and then Lenina Huxley and John Spartan discovering Mayor/Gov Raymond Cocteau dead aim the gun (revolver) and stun baton at that part of the office for 5 seconds as of being attacked and searching for Simon Phoenix himself. We should try as best as we can to keep wikis and the IMDB accurate. There are rules against anything on fan fiction on wikis.
Someone please answer about those posts. Someone even posted long ago that John Spartan is seening fighting Jesse Ventura's character and they were slugging it out. That would've been cool if the movie had an expanded universe and maybe books and comics that extend roles of minor characters if that movie did better. It appears that Jesse Ventura's character with another goon were driven off or they could've gotten away like Simon -
demolition18 — 13 years ago(February 28, 2013 02:55 PM)
This is being updated. It appears that the armed rebels with their leader played by Denis Leary drive off some of Simon Phoenix's gang as there are 4 of them when Simon Phoenix takes over with Dr. Raymond Cocteau killed. Lenina Huxley is seen knocked out one henchmen and shoots the other dead as he pulls a knife. It appears that she and John Spartan drive off 2 more as they're going after Simon Phoenix and even Mayor/Gov Raymond Cocteau discovering him dead. This one should be acknowledged.
Somewhere said was also Bill Goldberg cameo when he was playing in the NFL back then and before his wrestling career. Maybe Goldberg is a new recruit to Simon Phoenix's gang cut out of the movie. Maybe Bill Goldberg played a new recruit in a cut out scene teaming with Jesse Ventura against Sylvester Stallone. There could've been NFL players on various teams back then playing cryocons that Simon Phoenix's releases in the end and not any of them released with the one played by Jesse "the Body" Ventura.
I own the movie on blu-ray and still no deleted scenes released. I go on wikis. they I think have rules to be accurate.
That would've been cool if this movie had interlude stories or even prequel, midquel, sequel or interquel stories like short stories, television shows, animatrix style shorts, novels or even comics. They could have stories extending roles of minor characters. This post needs to be acknowledged from threats long since gone.
Were you watching the clip on youtube that's the interview with Eric Bischoff? I tried searches on youtube for that commercial that showed Sly Stallone fighting Jesse "The Body" Ventura. In Batman Forever the 2 hench women to Two-Face get away in the end (they are played by Debi Mazar and Drew Barrymore).
Something else is that John Spartan could've when he went on top of his daughter pulled out the berretta and fired on Simon Phoenix and his gang. He had his 2 hands on the table blocking the shots from them he couldn't hold that gun but he could've tried firing on them after putting down the table he used as a shield. By then Edgar Friendly and his armed followers have out their guns and fire on Simon Phoenix and his gang as it's not easy to catch that the African American in most of the scenes with Edgar Friendly is gun fighting Jesse Ventura as we could spot him with the movie in widescreen.
Also near the end Lenina Huxley (Sandra Bullock) holds the stun baton like a weapon as she could strike any criminals present if there were any. It's kind of like martial arts stance. Also John Spartan (Sylvester Stallone) on the search for Simon Phoenix (Wesley Snipes) goes aiming the gun in one spot. He could've checked the entire office aiming the gun. This is at a part of the office where 2 of Simon Phoenix's henchmen disappeared (one of them played by Jesse "The Body" Ventura). Maybe they could've had Lenina Huxley aiming her stun baton at one spot and that was where the 2 other accomplices to Simon Phoenix vanished after she knocked one thug unconscious and shot the other dead while John Spartan could bursting in before Lenina Huxley check everywhere with gun drawn and ready. Maybe he was to cover the 2 other henchmen of Simon Phoenix just like Lenina Huxley. They could be doing this for Simon Phoenix or anymore of his henchmen to attack as they got attacked by 2 Phoenix thugs in the hallway.
Simon Phoenix for not being able to pull the trigger on Raymond Cocteau could've ordered the other henchmen to kill him as they had guns. I would assume Jesse Ventura's character lost the big gun in the underground battle. Simon Phoenix gave the gun to his henchman played by Jesse Ventura and there's one of Simon Phoenix's goons in front of the fireplace that goes with the one in the conference room after Lenina Huxley and John Spartan. 2 other henchmen disappear in front of the fireplace next to each other. This is the part of the office John Spartan aims the revolver when Lenina Huxley next aims the stun baton as they discover Mayor/Gov Raymond Cocteau dead. Did you hear of the fight scene cut out from me or other sources? I was disappointed not to see a Sylvester Stallone vs. Jesse Ventura fight. I didn't expect that Lenina Huxley and John Spartan start going after accomplices to Simon Phoenix until the part they take off on Chief Earle. Maybe that guy knocked out by Lenina Huxley regains conscious secretly following John Spartan to the cryo-prison meeting up with the other 2 (one of them played by Jesse Ventura) and they get blown up in the end. Many people were assuming by the end all of the cryo-con henchmen of Simon Phoenix are dead. I don't know about how Sylvester Stallone defeats Jesse Ventura in the cut out scene. We do see Sandra Bullock's character knock out one of the henchmen to Simon Phoenix just before she shoots and kills another one.
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themightyperm — 9 years ago(October 18, 2016 11:57 PM)
I think the scene where Phoenix is talking to his gang has Jesse Ventura. I thought it was Goldberg for a second, but then I was thinking Ventura and Goldberg look a like! For all we know the camera switched angles and the actor changed.
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demolition18-108-676588 — 9 years ago(October 24, 2016 11:35 AM)
I think Bill Goldberg is one of the new gang members at the cryo-prison in the end just before Sylvester Stallone fights Jesse Ventura. Manly movie says that Sylvester Stallone takes down Jesse Ventura with a running tackle. Here's a link talking of it.
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Kuato_and_George — 12 years ago(August 19, 2013 06:11 AM)
I think the other thugs either died in the explosion or are simply running loose (which isn't really a plot hole). They could have simply escaped and are on the run.
I heard Stallone and Ventura had a fight scene that was cut from the movie.
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Kuato_and_George — 12 years ago(August 19, 2013 10:39 AM)
I forget exactly where I heard it. I remember seeing a clip of an interview with the both of them on YouTube, and I believe one of the comments mentions the scene was cut out.
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demolition18 — 10 years ago(February 17, 2016 11:56 AM)
Here's a link with this video that gives brief description.
http://www.manlymovie.net/2015/02/video-stalloneventura-talk-demolition-man-fight-scene.html -
demolition18 — 11 years ago(August 06, 2014 02:36 PM)
http://theactionelite.com/2013/08/deleted-alternate-footage-from-demol ition-man/
There's the top video that's what to watch. Now Jesse Ventura shown it in. In the cut out cryo-prison scenes John Spartan (I saw on the trading cards as well) has a berretta in the right hand and revolver Edgar Friendly gave him in the left hand. There's a shot of John Spartan in the trailer walking through the door with the revolver in the left hand and metal bars with him searching under lights holding the revolver in the right hand. What's not cut out then John Spartan pulls out 2 berrettas fighting Simon Phoenix one last time. I think that John Spartan shoots a couple of new recruits and 2 more knock him to the ground. He shoots them and gets back up with maybe putting the berretta in the left hand revolver in the right hand and fights Jesse Ventura to John Spartan ending up emptying the revolver on Jesse Ventura's character as someone said they were slugging it out. There is then John Spartan running in front of a door not exploding.
Question: Jesse Ventura in Demolition Man
What happens to Adam (Jesse Ventura) near the conclusion of Demolition Man? All of 4 of those 6 cryo-cons left over after an underground battle scene were sent downstairs to kill Stallone's character by Wesley Snipes's character and Sly Stallone's character makes these 4 thugs think that he's in the elevator to lie in ambush and sneaks away to get these guys to waste bullets. Jesse Ventura's character had simply vanished. What happened to him?
Answer: RE: Jesse Ventura in Demolition Man.
First off I thought I was the only one that actually watched "D=Man." Well, to answer your question, yes he did vanish. Word I got is that, before all the editing was done on the movie, they were gonna film a fight scene with the two. However, production's budget didn't have enough money for the "GOV" If (and its a big IF!) they ever come out with a DVD for it, it might have some outtakes or deleted scenes. NO PROMISES THOUGH! Hope I've helped! Merry Christmas!
No deleted scenes released. I think as Lenina Huxley knocks out one goon and shoots the other dead she and John Spartan fight 2 more as they discover a dead Raymond Cocteau. Lenina Huxley is to then knock out another (she then would knock out both of them who threw Cocteau's dead body in the fire and John Spartan ends up emptying the revolver on Adam. Then they discover Simon Phoenix defrosting the rest of the cryo-prisoners. But they couldn't afford them back before all the editing was done. Maybe Jesse Ventura choke holding Sylvester Stallone at that part just as Lenina Huxley strikes a thug with the stun baton and John Spartan ends up killing Jesse Ventura's character. He could instead in defeating him knock him out.
Question: computer files/cryo-prisoner programings
This is a Demolition Man question. When Lenina Huxley and John Spartan are looking for Simon Phoenix's rehab, there is pictures of half the men that Phoenix had already sprung. Is this a computer that gives files of escaped convicts or is the computer that gives the rehab of recently released prisoners or is a computer that would display the rehab of cryocons that would become hunted criminals? I didn't even think that the 6 cryocons have any programmings at all. We know that the 80 cryocons have no programmings. I would even think that Chief Earle himself tried to prevent the thawing of the 6 cryocons. Earlier on John Spartan didn't believe Chief Earle that Phoenix was going to start a business. This is where Chief Earle knew what Phoenix was up to and would want to prevent him from forming a crime syndicate. How he prevents what Phoenix is up to is setting out a city wide manhunt. Chief Earle and his officers managed to prevent Simon Phoenix from setting up a new drug lab. The computer even tells him that he is correct. I was thinking that the cops could just try to reform those cryocons with Phoenix out of the way. Phoenix doesn't have any programming to ever reform him. His programming made him worse than he was before. And I think for Phoenix's goons they aren't so mean anymore that there the cops can easily reform them and they must know it. What is the computer for in Lenina Huxley's car do? I was confused on that part because there they show pictures of Kodo, Danzig and Francis. The other half of Phoenix's crime syndicate that Chief Earle projected on L7 are Adam (played by former WWF superstar Jesse "The Body" Ventura), Elvin and Beppo. Does anyone know the rehab of those 6 men? I even think that they have the same rehab as each other. But maybe programming better than Simon Phoenix's. Remember. The rehab on cryocons is done by Raymond Cocteau. Phoenix wouldn't program cryocons. Only Cocteau would. What they do is type in the programming of the cryocons. But these men want to kill John Spartan. Danzig near the end draws a knife on Spartan and Huxley shoots him. That's where she makes her first kill. That's maybe why the 2 cops try to i