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StoneGriffin β 16 years ago(November 29, 2009 10:17 PM)
I know my post is months perhaps years old, but Arabs are technically white. There are only three major races in the world (Caucasoid, Negroid and Mongoloid) which are basically Caucasian, Black (Native African) and the 'oriental' aka East Asian (but not the East Indians, who are an offshoot of Caucasoid). So he is a white actor, but not a European American actor. Ethnicities and nationalities differentiate us, but there truly are only three actual RACES on the planet.
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Eve66 β 16 years ago(February 15, 2010 05:13 AM)
Well, yvettesgonefishing and jeannyvere certainly gave me an interesting read.
As someone who has gotten in trouble a lot because of wrong phrasing, I could say the first post could have been worded better. My first reaction was not that it was rascist, but written in such a way that it could easily be misunderstood and receive angry replies, which it did.
yvettesgonefishing gives a better version of the original post later on, which would probably wouldn't have gotten such a strong reaction, if it had been the original post.
With that said, I personally don't really notice people being cast in un-stereotypical ways. The race and culture of actors are parts of them they have when they off-screen. Christian actors can easily play atheists in movies. Someone who was original born in America can play an Australian.
And even before Obama became the first black president, Morgan Freeman already played one in a movie and I never thought the color of his skin was un-stereotypical for a president and so on.
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StoneGriffin β 16 years ago(February 15, 2010 11:06 AM)
haha, the problem is that this thread has veered SO MUCH off topic (by so many posters) that it has diluted any ideas or thoughts on the original question!
LOL. Alas, such is the case with the internet!
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StoneGriffin β 13 years ago(December 20, 2012 05:36 PM)
Hollywood casts lesbians and KEWS(?) whatever that is as Italians? He 'could' play Italian. I mean we have obviously CHINESE actors playing Japanese characters (believe me, they LOOK different). So why not? I do agree that if the actor does a bad accent then it sucks.
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ivana2804 β 15 years ago(May 09, 2010 04:14 AM)
There are only three major races in the world (Caucasoid, Negroid and Mongoloid) which are basically Caucasian, Black (Native African) and the 'oriental' aka East Asian (but not the East Indians, who are an offshoot of Caucasoid).
Actually, there is just one major race of Homo Sapiens in the world: human. Old racial classifications (Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid) are a product of obsolete ideas that have been disproved by modern science. Humans are all too similar to warrant any racial divisions. We are like cats - they come in all colors, but they have no sub-species.
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StoneGriffin β 15 years ago(May 09, 2010 12:33 PM)
Huh? You may think that, but the three major subgroups have very distinctive genetic traits. Ignoring them will not be helpful in things like Medicine, or preventative care, especially since certain races are prone to certain diseases, etc. etc. Your 'new age' we're all human post is certainly nice, but 'nice' doesn't help science and medical innovations.
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She-Ra42 β 15 years ago(August 21, 2010 11:08 PM)
You kinda fail at race knowledge. Race is a social construction, and the idea that it's all separated by "genetic traits" I'd love to hear exactly what genetic traits you can perfectly predict strictly by race. For instance, yes, you may find certain disorders, blood traits, or genetic predispositions within a group, but it has more to do with how genetics have been passed down within subgroups and families, or adapted within regions in a "survival of the fittest" type of scenario. The myth of the 3 races has been something we chose to pass down according to a societal decision. We could have divided them into 2 or 27 the 3 you listed are just 3 that have been perpetuated in some parts of our society, and it has no biological or genetic basis.
Here is a great place to start if you're ever ready to re-learn.
http://www.pbs.org/race/000_About/002_04-background-01.htm
And I don't suggest ignoring our socially constructed races per se, because whether they have benefit or not, and whether there's a scientific basis for them or not, according to the norms of our society they do exist But that doesn't mean we should propagate false information.
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StoneGriffin β 15 years ago(August 22, 2010 02:00 AM)
Ah yes. NEW THINK as propagated by academics who have nothing better to do. No I'm not going to argue about the origins of race to YOU. I did base my comment on text books that I read. Obviously you read 'different authors' so I cannot comment. But to say I fail at race knowledge? There are many 'theories' about racial groups and how they formed. What I said was not false. But you sound like one of those academics who could argue the fineries of meaningless information for hours, so I, having better things to do, yield the ground to your statements.
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chrisjozo β 15 years ago(July 16, 2010 10:54 AM)
I completely understood your question. There was nothing racist about it. You simply wanted to know if there were any other Arab actors who weren't typecast. As a black-american I can tell you that often in Hollywood the simple term "American" means White, Anglo-Saxon and Protestant or more broadly European and possibly very white Hispanics. Usually if a role calls for a person who is non white they will say, African American, Korean American etc.
I wonder if you watch Psych. James Roday's full name is James Roday Rodriguez and he is Mexican. He mentioned in an article that he had a hard time when he began acting because people said he looked to white to play Hispanic roles. When he tried out for White roles they would never call him for an interview because his name was too Hispanic.
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mollymoor β 15 years ago(October 10, 2010 11:55 AM)
Well back in the 50's & 60's there was Michael Ansara..a Lebanese like Tony..that played a Native American in "Cochise".Then you have Elizabeth Shanoonand on and on.I am Lebanese with lots of blonds and blue/green eyed memberslike my daughterwho is 1/2 hispanicwho knows where genes pop upbesides it only how we treat our fellow mankindness..counts
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activista β 13 years ago(October 31, 2012 09:55 PM)
@flutterby6 (cute username,BTW)
He looks like an Arab gentleman to mewhere I'm from (the Detroit metro area, which btw, has the largest known population of Americans of Middle Eastern descent outside of the Middle East) I see Arab (and Arab-American) folks all the time, and they come in all different colors,shapes and sizes, just like everyone else on the planet. Regardless of all that,I used to like the show MONK when it was on because I have OCD myselfit was fun to watch a show with a character who dealt with having a very extreme version of it. I also remember him as the cab driver on WINGS for years back. It was interesting to see him play a Jewish gentleman in the indie movie AMERICAN EAST (worth checking out if you can find it) which is a drama about Arab-Americans and how they deal with life/being always stereotyped as terrorists in a post 9/11 world.
As for the111c original poster of this thread, I didn't see anything racist about anything she said, and the second poster blew the subject ALL up out of proportion to ridiculous levelsseriously, it was not even THAT damn serious! It seemed more like J, or whatever her name was, was upset that the subject of race was even brought up in the first place. Just bringing up the subject of race is NOT racist, because race is something people have MADE a major issue of in life, especially white people, who have always made it an issue for their own benefitI can also say that ALL Arab folks aren't seen as white, some of them aren't white at all, and there are also black Arab folks (like the Arab-African peoples of North Africa for example) and my cool-as-hell sister. Okay, I'm done talking about this. -
mollymoor β 14 years ago(August 21, 2011 10:52 AM)
Tony Shaloub is WhiteLebanese people are classified by race as White. His nationality is Lebanese-Americanmore correctly American! As a second-generation Lebanese born during World War IImy birth certificate classifies my race as Whitejust sayin'
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TheStuntRunt β 14 years ago(August 23, 2011 01:09 PM)
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