Nobody born gay –mygenes.co.nz (Harvard backs up this very webpage)
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fraggle40 — 11 years ago(September 13, 2014 11:50 AM)
Who cares really whether people are actually born gay or not? We are all humans, some good, some bad. Gender, colour of skin and sexuality are irrelevant to everyone but the individual
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Furrerd — 11 years ago(January 22, 2015 07:39 PM)
His own paper isn't clearly supportive of your position:
http://mygenes.co.nz/Phoenix2.htm
" implies that prenatal influence is at best weak to modest for homosexuality and transgender."
That's not saying nobody is born gay. It is saying that the prenatal testosterone surge has a weak to moderate influence on gender identification or sexuality. The science still supports people being born with initial influence to being gay. It's probability and statistics not determinism.
The general population seems to prefer black-white/clear-tribal-membership answers and it's just not that way on sexuality.
This result also means all the people claiming they are "100% straight" are lying.
Their sexuality is much more fluid than they want to admit and we come down to the result that most people are capable of bisexuality, at some point in their lifetimes, and that matches with what studies have been finding about people's experiences in college, highschool, boarding school and flings they try in middle age.
The studies have been cast in doubt because they are performed on mice, ferrets, rats and guinea pigs and the paper you linked evaluates this and finds:
"Any overview would have to highlight the interspecies diversity that is present. This cast further doubt on whether animal models apply to humans"
Sexual hormone surges also happen just after birth in the following weeks. The current level of estrogen and testosterone effect the feminization or masculinization of a person's brain. But sexual identity is not the same a sexuality and sexual attraction.
Humans can be incredibly masculine or feminine and still have same-sex attraction. So while therapists might be able to administer sex hormones as part of treatment to address gender identity;
that doesn't mean it would be at all successful in changing sexual attraction.
Just because sexuality is shown to be more fluid still doesn't mean being gay or bisexual is some kind of mental illness. That's a cultural choice. Sciences haven't shown that having same sex attraction in 10% of the population is harmful to the population and some supporting evidence shows that having gay orientated members of the family increase the families' survival as they support and protect the child-rearing members of the family.
If N.E.Whitehead, Ph.D wants to argue for therapeutic work to switch homosexual people to heterosexual he better not oppose the therapy choice of parents who come in to make sure their kids turn out to be bisexual or homosexual who are currently steering to hetero. If he opposes that then HE is making a value choice based on politics and not science.
Parenting books? Parenting books, I thought that..those were a joke? - Linda Belcher -
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Furrerd — 11 years ago(January 22, 2015 08:44 PM)
It should be noted that Whitehead is a founding member of NARTH who actively promote and provide conversion therapy for gays and bisexual. He and NARTH have a financial interest in his view that he pushes in his book that you are promoting. He also calls upon parts of the bible in that book as support for the view that conversion of homosexuals is necessary.
That's not science and the financial interest is telling.
Also, the publication
Journal of Human Sexuality
is solely a NARTH publication who promote therapy to convert homosexuals.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/115507954/Journal-of-Human-Sexuality-Vol-3
Also, he seems to be a geologist, not a geneticist, biologist, biochemist or psychologist
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0377027383901063
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couthlessgal — 10 years ago(May 18, 2015 01:59 AM)
SRY or sex determining region of the y chromosome is a segment of DNA that codes for proteins and hormones that allow for the differentiation of male phenotypes and typical behavior from the default female sex. If this reg1c84ion of the chromosome is damaged duplicated or absent it may present with physical abnormalities and hormonal changes that cause phenotypic males to behave like females. Therefore classification of sex is based on several criterion including genotype, phenotype, and psychological behavior profiles. None of these things are under the control of the individual affected so when you say beep like this you just sound like an ignorant twat. The metabolic pathways involved in duct differentiation are extremely complicated and convoluted so the chromosome is not the only location that an error could occur resulting in a spectrum of physical, hormonal and genotypic "sexual identification" presentations.
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Stigger — 9 years ago(September 23, 2016 08:51 AM)
people are born gay.
Your claim is factually incorrect. There is no gay gene. Being gay is a choice.
When did you decide to be straight?
Ummmmprobably around the same time I learned the correct purpose/use of reproductive organs (and it's not to get another guy up the butt).
Don't think and spew hate and people won't think you're an idiot.
Yep, you're a definitely a typical ignorant, uneducated Democrat. In reality, just because one has a different opinion does NOT mean any hate is involved. Duh! Sadly, Democrats are simply too dumb to understand the difference between a person and a person's argument. Democrats believe if one attacks the person's argument, then one is therefore attacking the person (and responds by attacking the person instead of the person's argument). Democrats have never been known for having tolerance, so I'm not surprised by your intolerant remarks.