I SO agree with him on Depp's version of Willy Wonka (it was bad)
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suicidea — 14 years ago(May 19, 2011 03:56 PM)
I'm not sure but I think Gene Wilder made that comment BEFORE the Burton version was completed and released. Anyway, I agree that it was "only about money."
I will never watch the Burton version unless someone holds a gun to my head. I couldn't care l2000ess if it's more faithful to the book or not. I couldn't care less if Depp is good or not. I won't watch it, because the Wilder version is special to me, and I don't want images from another movie popping in my mind upon the mentioning of Wonka.
The Wilder version was made at an era when movies were not 100 % about money, where talent and entertainment value still counted. The movie was a sweet memory from my childhood and I won't let anyone ruin that.
Think of the favorite song of you and your spouse, or a song that means a lot to you. Now picture it being performed by a screaming drunk dude who belches and farts every 30 seconds. It's not a compliment to the song, really, and ruins something that's special for you. That's how I feel about shallow remakes of classic movies.
Same goes for Pink Panther, Superman, Italian Job, The Mechanic, Moby Dick, even the cheesy Freddy and Jason. I love Steve Martin, I respect Depp and Burton for their great works in the past, but Hollywood cannot do remakes. Simple as that.
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dogsoldier_spoon-1 — 14 years ago(March 27, 2012 10:46 AM)
Wilder never saw it because he thought it would be horrible and though he's right, I don't think you should judge a movie you haven't seen. I've enjoyed a fair share of remakes, some even as good or better as their predecessors. It just wasn't the case for Willy Wonka.
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suicidea — 14 years ago(April 05, 2012 05:01 PM)
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I don't think you should judge a movie you haven't seen.15 years ago, I'd agree 100%. But 15 years ago, there were at least two or three good movies coming out every week. Now we have remakes, remakes of remakes, Ashton Kutcher, Adam Sandler, Lindsay Lohan, Rob Schneider and even Paris Hilton. Not to mention at least one or two Johnny Depp films where he doesn't have his own face.
So I am prejudiced, yes. I don't watch any of the above (plus may others I haven't named here, to avoid arguments) and I also judge them as incompetent cr*p without having seen a single scene.
I'm close to 40 and have only so much time to watch movies, why waste it on something that I probably can't stand? There are still many DVD's I have bought and not watched yet. Classics, Chaplin, Brando, Paul Newman, there are at least 5 Kurosawa films I haven't watched, old Burt Lancaster films, funny 50-s sci fi, horror, Russian films, mystery science theater 3000 episodes There's always something great on tv as well, with so many channels. If I can choose to watch these, honestly, why try to be fair and say "well, I should give it a chance maybe Adam Sandler did nail it this time" ??
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adalsteinn-pk — 13 years ago(May 09, 2012 11:28 AM)
Tim Burton is just beep movies now, i am seeing movies directed by Tim Burton every single year now or maybe the time goes by to fast. It usually involves his girl Helena Bonham and Depp. The Tim Burton movies i like and it's not Batman although I do like Batman. ( I never saw it when Adam West was Batman ). I am born 1987 and i grew up around Michael being Batty :D..
Anyway the Movies i like are Beetlejuice and also i liked Nightmare before christmas, but Wonka from 1971 is 1000000 times better then Tim Burton's crap of a movie with latexwearing oompa loompas.. I like Depp and i loved Secret Window and him as Jack Sparrow but he should try to distance himself a bit from Tim Burton. He is cast basically as every lead for Burton, he's in
Dark Shadows
Alice in Wonderland
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
Sweeney Todd
Corpses Bri111cde
Those are the ones i know of.
Oh and to kill all the "rumor i heard" or "i think he said"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFVh3jlla_c&feature=player_detailpage#t=1207s
At this exact second in the interview with Gene Wilder himself he answers questions about remakes of work he has done including Willy Wonka and just LISTEN and you will hear what he said from him to your own ears. -
mp390a15 — 13 years ago(March 14, 2013 11:32 AM)
I watched the Depp version with relatives who had young kids. They were petrified, and later said it gave them nightmares! It was bizarre and creepy I would say, and not funny at all. It was like a movie designed for people on psychedelic drugs (aka:Fear and Loathing a step ever weirder).
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cold_sky — 12 years ago(June 11, 2013 06:50 PM)
It has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not the adaptations are faithful to the book or not. It is simply this: was the movie good? Or not?
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gallagwar — 12 years ago(June 14, 2013 12:27 PM)
Say what you will about Burton's film, and I love Gene Wilder and miss him terribly, but he's really out of line on this, and is really the one doing the insulting. Honestly, he sounds arrogant and stupid.
Tim Burton didn't "remake" Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. He made an adaptation of the source material. How can you "remake" something that wasn't original to begin with? How is it an insult to Wilder if he had nothing to do with the creation of the source material or the character?
And this is just my opinion, but of all the people in the movie industry today, Burton is one of the few I feel comfortable in saying isn't doing it "for the money". Not that making money isn't a motivation for him (isn't it for everyone?), but he's not making his films to create big budget box office smashes. They're all stories he's passionate about. They're pet projects. If you don't like his style, that's fine. It drags on me often as well. But let's not act like he's adapting stories like Sweeney Todd with dollar signs in his eyes. The guy likes retelling classic stories in his own vision.
To the OP, this "new" Wonka you describe Depp playing was much closer to the real Wonka than Wilder's. And Dahl absolutely hated the original for the way the emphasis was placed on Wonka. The daddy issues in Burton's version were added on (and adapted from Dahl's follow up story), but otherwise, he's a much more accurate portrayal. -
JerseyJoe — 12 years ago(June 14, 2013 01:43 PM)
Good for Wilder he hit the nail right on the head, Hollywood sits around and thinks how can we make money even if the product is bad, like Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Karate Kid, Total Recall and so on. Remakes rarley work and it shows no originality.
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TiggerPromfit — 12 years ago(June 14, 2013 02:26 PM)
The rehash was sooooo beep horrible lol!.
Everyone i know loves the original version and cant stand the rehash. Worst Depp and Burton film by far. Terri able CGI killed the chocolate factory, the cgi pasted oompa loompa with the beep god awful songs was cringe worthy. Depp and Charlie needed to be shot, that's how annoying they were.
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LittleWonders — 12 years ago(June 14, 2013 03:09 PM)
The original was absolute perfection and it was impossible to make a better version. I liked the Depp version but don't feel the need to see it more than once. I have watched the Wilder version at least 100 times in my life and have the sound track in my purse right now (just a coincidence, I'm taking it from work to home).
The only part I liked about the Depp version was how quirky and weird his Wonka was.
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JPSofCA — 12 years ago(June 16, 2013 02:06 PM)
I like "Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory" much better than Burton's spin on the story as well. It is one of those films, like "The Wizard of Oz," which may have sequels or prequels that could respectfully compliment the work, but nothing can be made to take its place.
I watched "Charlie" and I did not intensely hate the movie, as it was fun to see attention given to the story, but that's not to say that I treasure the film in any way, as there is nothing to treasure about it. After the first song I quipped its predictability that a rap-song would be next, totally expecting it to try to cater to every crowd. I forget if there was a country song in there, but there may as well have been. The film lacked thought, and merely executed a quick, once-over screen-write of an otherwise classic story, as if whatever came out of the writers, without revision, seems like a "go." It was just another Burton film, where everything looks that familiarly certain way.
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nicolehering — 11 years ago(May 18, 2014 02:32 AM)
I agree too. The remake is bad. Johnny Depp was hideous. He hated children! Why would Willy Wonka hate children when they're his top customers and he wanted a child to win the contest? That was stupid. Gene's Willy Wonka didn't hate children. He was polite to all of the children and their families even when they were rude. He was strange, but not psychologically scarred like Depp's Willy Wonka. Gene also has sweet, friendly, twinkling eyes that seemed perfect for the role. Depp was not meant for the role at ALL. It made me sick when I watched it. Burton and Depp should have stayed away from it. They could have adapted a different Dahl book instead. The Twits is good or George's Marvelous Medicine!