How the heck did batman beat captain marvel??
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celtcub — 16 years ago(September 28, 2009 05:16 PM)
Not help AGAINST. Help WITH.
She was the only one on Bats and Supes side and managed to convince Hawk and Shammie to listen to reason, then they planned the "sneak into Luthor's office dressed as you guys" plan.
All of that could have been mentioned in more than a passing "thanks" line. It deserved screen time. But like everythign else about this movie, it was trimmed and edited just to make a buck, not a good movie. -
Otaku-sempai — 16 years ago(September 29, 2009 02:36 PM)
SPOILER AHEAD:
This was my first impression: Apparently Power Girl contacted Hawkman & Captain Marvel and told them were they could intercept Supes & Bats before she moved on to Japan. What is unclear is if she clued them in on the plan. If so, why the totally unnecessary fight? Superman & Batman could have just switched costumes with Marvel & Hawkman and infiltrated the compound right away. My guess is that Power Girl did
not
tell Marvel & Hawkman the plan because our heroes didn't know if they would play along.
Upon a second viewing, I have to conclude that Power Girl did NOT contact Hawkman & Marvel; but, sensed the fight before she was out of range and came back to help. Either she, Superman and Batman defeated Hawkman and Captain Marvel or she was able to persuade them to listen and they were won over to the other side.
In the comic-book version, Superman & Batman feigned defeat, played possum and (off-panel) caught Hawkman & Marvel unaware, defeating them with ease and changing costumes.
SPOILER ENDS
BATMAN: Do me a favor and lose the sense of humor.
SUPERMAN: Do us both a favor and buy one. -
CyberVerm — 16 years ago(October 01, 2009 04:00 AM)
Not to mention now he spun captain marvel around like a little child and threw him ass first into a batman missile that helps his dignity a bit.
Not to mention the beating he gives luthor at the end
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kyrix — 16 years ago(October 01, 2009 02:21 PM)
Actually, Captain MArvel is one of the few people who can consistantly beat Superman. Like Marvel said, Superman is vulnerable to magic, and the lightning bolt that transforms him into Captain Marvel when he says "Shazam!" is magical. A common tactic is to grab Superman, hold him, and keep yelling Shazam! and letting the lightning strike him instead. It's every bit as effective as a kryptonite gattling gun
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CyberVerm — 16 years ago(October 01, 2009 05:36 PM)
Except that when marvel tries that tactic superman eventualy gets away from marvel and puts him under his own lightning, turns him back to billy and covers his mouth so he cant yell shazam again.
in the past years superman and cap marvel have fought around 3 or 4 times counting movies, comics and cartoons. Each time they fought superman came out on top, so saying marvel constantly beats superman is pretty much a lie.
In recent memory.
Kingdom Come comic book = Captain was pretty much trying to kill superman while superman was trying to reason with captain marvel (marvel was evil at the time) eventualy marvel tried his "shazam! shazam! shazam!" spam tactic and superman turned him back to billy and covered his mouth.
the "Clash" episode in the Justice League unlimited series = Superman seemed more like the evil one in this one, even though there was no real evil one. This was a flat out ass whooping of epic proportions that superman gave marvel, which ended up having marvel using his one tactic that "allways works" against superman, the shazam, shazam, shazam spam, again, superman turned his ass back to a kid and covered his mouth.
the Alex Ross justice comic book = this one isnt really a fight, Marvel was just evil and went full force to try and pretty much kill superman, Superman just grabed the key to the fortress of solitude (big, big ass key) and hit the rampaging/crazy marvel and knocked his ass down, Marvel got up and yelled "Im going to kill you kryptonian!!!!" and launched himself again at Superman but before he got there green lantern stoped him and removed whatever was making him evil and he went back to normal.
And the last time I saw them fight was in superman/batman public enemies and that wasnt really a fight and it ended prematurely, Cap landed more hits but superman landed the allways important last blow and threw him into batmans missile, turning him back to a kid (that made no sense btw, so I dont count this as a fight)
So when you think about it, a lot of Marvel fans say that he "should" constantly beat superman but when they do fight in the comics, somehow superman allways comes out on top.. why? well because he is superman and they wont have superman lose like that. superman is cheap, we all know this. Just look at how Captain Atom and company were OWNING him, badly.. then all of a sudden he decides to make his whirlwind thing and owns pretty much everyone at the same time that made no sense but he is superman and the writers can do with him what they want.. which is why some people dislike the char but he is superman after all.
Another recent fight was between Superman Prime (an evil superman from another dimention that is ridiculously overpowered, cheap, lame writen and hillarious at the same time) against Black Adam (pretty much like Cap Marvel) and that was just embarassing but that doesnt count becase that version of superman was not vulnerable to magic so adam couldnt do squat except get owned.
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confidential_75 — 16 years ago(October 02, 2009 03:46 AM)
"Actually, Captain MArvel is one of the few people who can consistantly beat Superman."
Not necessarily so. Black Adam is just as powerful as Captain Marvel, and he could not defeat Superman when they fought (forgot which comic). It was because as mentioned by Superman: "It is good when I am in a bad mood, I am facing someone who can take it." (something like that).
People fail to realize that Superman always hold his power back when he is facing an opponent; it goes without saying especially an ally who, in this case, is misguided.
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kyrix — 16 years ago(October 02, 2009 06:50 AM)
I should clarify a few things about my statement. First, I don't read many DC or Marvel comics, except for a few recent events (Like Secret Invasion, Civil War, and Blackest Night) I'm a Gold Digger fan myself. But when I said he CAN consistantly beat Superman, I don't mean he has. He has the potential to do so, by exploiting Superman's weaknesses, and every source I've seen says that in terms of physical abilities, they're equals.
But let's not forget, "wisdom of Solomon" aside, that Captain Marvel is hosted by a pre-pubescent boy, wheras Superman is a grown man, with decades of experience against powerful opponents. I'm aware that Captain Marvel has likewise been around a long time, but he's not a consistant member (and I assume leader) of the Justice League. He doesn't hang out with Batman, and (I'l admit ignorance if I'm wrong) he doesn't handle as many galactic level opponents, and he sure as hell hasn't slugged it out with Doomsday.
Like I said, he has the potential to beat him consistantly, but potential doesn't always equal success. Superman was the first comic book superhero, and whether people like him or not, the fact that he's still as big as he is stands for something. EVERYONE knows who Superman is, but not nearly as many people know who Captain Marvel is. -
CyberVerm — 16 years ago(October 03, 2009 01:20 AM)
They are supposed to be pretty much neck and neck when it comes to speed and strenght, with superman having the extra perks like heat vision and cold breath/superbreath/xray vision/everythingelse vision and marvel has the magic abilities.
But when they do fight, it does seem superman is just a little bit stronger, even though some comics point that marvel is actualy faster, the common sense is that superman is a little bit faster if not equal.
Marvel's best weapon against superman is his magic lightning, which is his biggest weakness as well, so it's a toss up between these two, it allways has been, it's DC's titanic showdown after all, thats why they end up fighting whenever they are in the same comic book, over and over again.
If someone asked me who's powers I would like, I would pick superman, I dont know why, maybe because I know in the end I allways win due to cheapness.
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