Thats how you know this movie will be the best Marvel movie to date. This movie hasnt even came out yet. Why are the mak
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unumagu — 9 years ago(October 18, 2016 08:16 PM)
Thats how you know this movie will be the best Marvel movie to date. This movie hasnt even came out yet. Why are the making plans for the next? Ohh this is a good time to be MARVEL FAN!!!!!
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Xaeden — 9 years ago(October 19, 2016 04:45 PM)
You do realize that your reaction right here is the main reason sequels are announced before a movie comes out, yes? Movies that studios announced sequels for before the release date of the first installment include Green Lantern, the Fantastic Four reboot, the Ghostbusters reboot, and many others that also under performed. Hell, let's not forget The Amazing Spider-man 2. This is a well worn ploy that studios do to drum up excitement for a film by trying to show people how much confidence they have in an upcoming release. However, it is meaningless as it's just words; nothing has been officially greenlit when they do that so it costs them nothing quietly to "cancel" the sequel if the movie does poorly. In fact, sometimes they will make a sequel announcement right before a movie comes out when they didn't otherwise plan to because the movie is tracking so badly that they're hoping the announcement will help trick a few more people into going to see the movie so their loss isn't too great.
Mind you, none of what I said here is to suggest that I believe this Spider-man movie will tank. I'm simply pointing out that a sequel announcement at this point is irrelevant.
However, I must also point out that as far as I'm aware no sequel has been announced for Spider-man yet (although, please correct me if I missed something). I believe the original post was based simply off Tom Holland saying they were "talking" about where they would go with a sequel. Here's the exact quote:
My next project, I cant tell you about, but weve just finished Spider-Man and were talking about the second one and who the villain is going to be and where were going, he said.
Some websites saw that and did what they usually do; they used click bait titles along the lines of "Spider-Man: Homecoming Sequel is in the
Works
." However, this is a planned film in a larger franchise so of course they are
talking
about what they'd like to do with the sequel. They're always doing that, both at this point in a film's production and way before now (hence, setting up threads for a sequel in the actual scripting of a movie, way before filming begins). Thus, this also means nothing and to demonstrate that I would again point to "The Amazing Spider-man 2," which had its own lofty sequel ideas being talked about way before its release. -
GreenGoblinsOckVenom86 — 9 years ago(October 20, 2016 09:56 PM)
He is going to be in Avengers Infinity War (refuse to beleive otherwise unless actually confirmed otherwise) so that there is the sequel. I don't get people who don't count Avengers movies as sequels to the other movies before. So really to me the first Avengers movie was Thor 2/Iron Man 3/Incredible Hulk 2/Cap 2.
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RoyWilliamsbeatsCoachK — 9 years ago(October 21, 2016 04:02 AM)
No surprise. And people need to quit comparing it to the Fantastic Four and Green Lantern. Those are franchises that have had limited appeal in comic form for years. Spider-Man is still one of the top selling comicbooks with several different current Spidey comics going currently. To put it in perspective take just September 2016, last month. Spider-Man was the top selling marvel property besides their current main Star Wars line. It outsold Deadpool, Iron Man, Captain America, and the rest of them. Guess what was #2? The SpiderMan/Deadpool series they are doing.
People that compare this to flops like the Fantastic Four or Last Airbender or whatever else don't truly understand the Spider-Man brand or how many Spider-Man fans there are. Another great example of this is in 2002 when Spider-Man first hit theaters it made more money than the Star Wars, Harry Potter, and Lord of the Rings films that came out that year. Sorry, but the 2017 Spider-Man with him being back in the Marvel Universe is absolutely not going to flop. It will make 800 million worldwide at least. With good reviews and good word of mouth it has potential to do much better. -
Xaeden — 9 years ago(October 21, 2016 09:51 AM)
I wasn't comparing the movie itself to Fantastic Four and Green Lantern. I was using them an examples of how pointless pre-release sequel announcements are because they're marketing ploys that have been utilized on a lot of films that didn't get sequels and those two, I thought, would be examples that people here would be likely to remember.
My analysis of how well Spider-man will do is similar to yours as one can see from my posting history
Nevertheless, every Spider-man film has made over $700 million in ticket sales, regardless of quality. The character is immensely popular (
so much so that Spider-man merchandise sells hundreds of millions more than any other superhero property, even the whole of the Avengers with its higher box office success
) and, as a result, the very notion of a Spider-man film brings in big enough initial numbers that it can still see such high box office ticket sales despite the subsequent drop off from poor word of mouth. Throw in the MCU tie-in related hype, Iron Man (whose popularity has turned every film he's been in into a $1 billion + venture following his second solo film) personally appearing, and the promise of this (in some small way) leading into Marvel's much hyped Infinity War. With all of that the film should have no problem opening big and, as long as they don't pull an "Amazing Spider-man 2" it should have no problem making money either. That Sony managed to lose money on a film that made so much money in ticket sales is insane and shows how badly mismanaged the franchise was at that point.
http://www.imdb.com/board/12250912/board/nest/262189886?d=262376652#262376652
So I do think that this movie will do well and that a sequel is next to certain. However, that's a separate matter than telling people that they shouldn't get worked into a frenzy by meaningless pre-release announcements, particularly when people think that alone means a sequel is definite. I recognized though that making such a critique when applied to a particular film could seem like a critique of the film itself, so that's why I made a point to put a disclaimer in my above post:
Mind you, none of what I said here is to suggest that I believe this Spider-man movie will tank. I'm simply pointing out that a sequel announcement at this point is irrelevant.
And, again, last I checked there is still no official sequel announcement, despite what people here seem to believe, so this really is simply a critique of the overall practice of pre-release announcements in the industry since it doesn't even seem to me to apply to Spider-man at this point.