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    Sjaaksnaak — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 10:30 AM)

    Savatar was the first one to get speed.
    Withouth Barry there is no speedforce.
    Thawne had to make Barry the "first" speedster.
    Or did I miss something?

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      xDBx — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 11:12 AM)

      Jay Garrick?

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        Sjaaksnaak — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 01:00 PM)

        Jay as Savitar?

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          xDBx — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 01:30 PM)

          Wasn't Jay a speedster before Barry?

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            Sjaaksnaak — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 01:36 PM)

            Hmmm.. does seem that way, yes.
            But then why did Thawne need to give Barry his powers?
            I thought Thawne said there was no Speedforce without Barry.
            Or was that just for him.
            Because Barry "inspired" him to become Reverse Flash.
            Gonna see if I can find that somewhere.

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              Sjaaksnaak — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 01:49 PM)

              I'm starting to think that Barry wasn't the first speedster.
              And all I could find about Thawne and his limited connection to the Speed Force was: He needed Barry to become the Flash earlier than it would happen in 2020 so he could steal his speed.
              He "used up" his Speed Force by traveling through time, appearantly.
              And seeing as the Speed Force itself said that it was around for.. forever.
              Plus, Thawne still had a connection to the Speed Force, only a weak one.
              Barry probably wasn't the first Speedster.
              Still keeping my fingers crossed for Future Barry as Savitar though.

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                VisualFiction — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 12:34 PM)

                Hysterical, I love it

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                  Sjaaksnaak — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 01:01 PM)

                  Wait, what?
                  Did I miss something about the identity of Savitar?

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                    cobi-80620 — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 01:34 PM)

                    Eobard Thawne said it in the first episode of the season.
                    "Now who's the villain Flash, now who's the villain!"

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                      Sjaaksnaak — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 01:54 PM)

                      That.
                      And the message from future Barry.
                      "Don't trust anything or anyone.. not even me"
                      I'm not sure anymore that future Barry is Savitar, seeing as Savitar was the first speedster and Barry probably wasn't the first.
                      But I still hope so.

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                        cobi-80620 — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 02:21 PM)

                        Doesn't have be our Barry, could be a different Barry by means of different timelines and whatnot.

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                          Sjaaksnaak — 9 years ago(December 10, 2016 03:55 AM)

                          Some form of Barry still in the "race", I like it!

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                            taxman74 — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 05:54 PM)

                            Why would a future Barry kill his only true love in Iris? Or did a future Barry kill Savatar's love one?.

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                              Sjaaksnaak — 9 years ago(December 10, 2016 03:48 AM)

                              Because Future Barry is on a quest to change the timeline to save HIS future Iris.
                              In his mind, it doesn't matter what he does.
                              Once he's fixed everything, he'll get his Iris back.
                              (But like I said to other people here, not so sure it's Future Barry anymore)

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                                stargazer_1682 — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 06:20 PM)

                                I'd like for it to turn out to be Eddie Thawne, thrown back in time, revived and granted powers by the singularity that he got swallowed up by right after his death. That would mean the Post-Flashpoint timeline is where Eobard originally came from.
                                He lied to us through song! I hate when people do that."

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                                  Sjaaksnaak — 9 years ago(December 10, 2016 03:49 AM)

                                  Oh That would be cool.
                                  Eddie would explain why he knows everyone.
                                  Wait, did Eddie know Wally?
                                  Ah, we'll see.

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                                    stargazer_1682 — 9 years ago(December 10, 2016 02:15 PM)

                                    Oh That would be cool.
                                    Eddie would explain why he knows everyone.
                                    Wait, did Eddie know Wally?
                                    It would appear that the version of Savitar they fought and threw into the Speed Force was an older, future version; who had previous contact with Team Flash at some later date from the perspective of everyone else. So if it were Eddie, or really anyone, he could learn who they all the next time they encounter him; which will be the first time for Savitar from his perspective.
                                    What I want to know is , are we supposed to assume that Rip hasn't actually already heard this recording? Presumably he would have deleted it if he had
                                    Well, you know, Rip may be one of those people who listens to a message and never deletes them.
                                    He lied to us through song! I hate when people do that."

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                                      Sjaaksnaak — 9 years ago(December 10, 2016 02:22 PM)

                                      What if it's Hunter?
                                      Who escaped the time-wraiths and is now jumping through time (and dimensions) to exact revenge?
                                      Hunter didn't die, right?
                                      At this point I have no idea anymore.
                                      Hope it's future Barry, but it's anyone's game.

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                                        sayen_shin — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 07:25 PM)

                                        That would be a huge twist and if so, great insigh lad!

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                                          Sjaaksnaak — 9 years ago(December 10, 2016 03:54 AM)

                                          Thanks!
                                          I still hope it's future Barry, but I'm not so sure anymore.
                                          But we'll see, just fun to guess about these things.

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