I thought this movie was spectacular!
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Dukeking3 — 9 years ago(October 24, 2016 02:45 PM)
Why all the hate? Is it really because it's dark? I understand what they were trying to do with this movie. If Superman existed in our world today people would be hesitate to trust him. Everything wouldn't be all sunshine and rainbows. Lots of people were killed in the destruction at the end of Man of Steel. It's the Post 9/11 people.
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Flamboyant_Little_Devil — 9 years ago(October 24, 2016 03:12 PM)
Why all the hate? Is it really because it's dark?
No. Because the movie is dumb as hell that only 5 yo kids feel impressed with
I understand what they were trying to do with this movie.
So does everybody else. And it failed.
If Superman existed in our world today people would be hesitate to trust him.
No sh.t.
Everything wouldn't be all sunshine and rainbows.
Civil War
Lots of people were killed in the destruction at the end of Man of Steel.
and yet Superman has a statue go figure.
It's the Post 9/11 people.
yaaayyyy
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Flamboyant_Little_Devil — 9 years ago(October 25, 2016 01:08 PM)
If he wrote "this movie was spectacular to me" that would be an opinion, and valid at that.
But dressing what he said with "why all the hate" remark, it no longer makes it an opinion but a stand.
Different things.
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CichlidAsh — 9 years ago(October 24, 2016 04:13 PM)
Too dark? If you think that putting a grey tint on everything to wash out the colours of a film is what makes a film dark then maybe, no one seemed over impressed with the monotone look. If you mean too dark in actual tone then I would say are you kidding me some of the most dark and gritty CBM are the most popular take The Crow and The Dark Knight as examples. I think that most people were not impressed with the weak scripting, incoherent storyline, terrible portrayal of Lex, the gloominess of Superman, awful CGI and just how unbelievably stupid the Martha scene was. Do you really seek to be insulting to people here by stating that it is post 9/11? Do you think that anyone does not realise that, or that acts of terrorism occur on a daily bases? Even in a world prior to 9/11 the world was not that nave terrorism was not invented on that day you realise? These days it would not be oh Superman just saved that little girl from a burning building but why is Superman touching that little girl?
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deadpixel128 — 9 years ago(October 24, 2016 04:31 PM)
That idea is interesting, but like everything else in the movie, it's poorly executed. Well, no, actually, it's not really executed at all. You get the montage of TV people, but that's about it. It certainly doesn't factor into the plot. For a film's ideas to matter, it needs to follow through on them. This movie has a lot of ideas, but they're just thrown around for a scene or two and never discussed again.
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Chiller7 — 9 years ago(October 24, 2016 07:24 PM)
Most people enjoyed the movie.
Don't take the haters too seriously. Most of the hate comes from a small (but loud) minority.
For instance, take this message board for example. At a glance, it looks flooded with negativity. But click on the names of any of the haters on this message board, including the ones replying on this thread, and look at their comment histories. You'll see it's the same small handful of haters posting an excessive amount of negative comments. Anyone who wastes hours per day, every single day, coming back to the message board of a half-a-year old movie they hated, just to remind everyone again and again that they hated the movie, and keeps it up nonstop is just obsessed to an unhealthy degree, so their opinions shouldn't really count.
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CichlidAsh — 9 years ago(October 24, 2016 08:04 PM)
Most people enjoyed the movie.
As most people do not actually comment on the internet about their opinions of movies where did you get this information from? Given that the DC has a massive fan base that is known to deliberately up vote its movies the fact that BvS only has a 64% liked vote seems extremely low, for comparison Civil War has a 90% liked vote and The Dark Knight 94%, Man Of Steel 75% so BvS has an extremely low like ratio for a DC property and I am willing to bet that if we could separate the general publics vote from the DC Fanboys it would be lower than 50%. Still we have no method of doing that sadly.
Genuinely hated movies don't make $870 million at the box office and top home video sales.
A movie that should have easily be guaranteed at least a billion dollars making only $870 is a relatively pathetic performance. Don't believe me look at The Dark Knight box office numbers of just over $1 billion and that is a eight year old movie and I have not value adjusted it. Making less money from a movie featuring two of the most iconic character in its title than a movie eight years old is not good, when you top that off with having the most iconic female superhero and two of the biggest villains in the movie then make of it what you will but for me it says underperformance.
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Chiller7 — 9 years ago(October 24, 2016 09:34 PM)
As most people do not actually comment on the internet about their opinions of movies
If you've already established that Internet scores are untrustworthy, then why are you continuing on with that train of thought? (And why are you citing Rotten Tomatoes scores even though we're on IMDB?) Just as you can dismiss the scores for upvotes from the fan base, I can just as easily dismiss the scores for downvotes from haters. Ignoring the scores altogether, the only objective way to gauge audience reaction is by its box office numbers, which are very good.
if we could separate the general publics vote from the DC Fanboys it would be lower than 50%
Don't make baseless claims.
$870 is a relatively pathetic performance
For some context, in the entire year of 2015, only six movies made more than BvS has made this year. Six movies on the entire planet in the entire year. So to call $870 pathetic, you are really stretching it.
Making less money from a movie featuring two of the most iconic character in its title than a movie eight years old is not good
If it's such a "pathetic performance" to make less than previous movies featuring the same characters, would you then say that the box office performance of Batman Begins was "pathetic?" Batman Begins made significantly less than much older movies: Batman, Batman Returns, & Batman Forever. But I doubt that you'd be willing to call Batman Begins pathetic, because you obviously seem to like the Dark Knight franchise. Don't try to change the rules according to which franchise you like (Dark Knight franchise) and which you don't like (DCEU).
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cwamne_h — 9 years ago(October 24, 2016 10:14 PM)
The way I see it, I won't blame anyone for liking it or hating. Me personally, not a fan of it, because it's all over the place, needed better editing, wasn't a fan of the CGI, didn't like some of the characterization like Batman trying to kill Superman. I wouldn't say that's hating on the film.
I wouldn't be surprised that some people like it, the way it was shot was great, minus the CGI was great. Amazing cast, Ben Afleck kills it as Bruce. And the Batman and Superman show down of course. They also showed a whole new side to this.
And it's not really the Dark Knight series thing, every reboot is different and people generally like it. People loved Batman and Batman Returns, and although Batman Forever and Batman and Robin were the sequels, hated those. Now I'm not saying this was that bad, obviously not nearly. Only a small minority of people just like one particular series, even the Dark Knight series got it, but its rating was much higher, same with Burton's Batman films, although not drastically higher.
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Chiller7 — 9 years ago(October 25, 2016 11:29 AM)
You're only looking at critics' scores & reviews. Not much more than 300 or so professional critics reviewed this movie, a puny number compared to the global audience. Audience scores & reviews are generally positive.