Poll: Do you think Russia is Losing it's War against Ukraine ?
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chrismac1970 — 3 years ago(September 18, 2022 04:29 AM)
You could have the greatest prose style in the history of the English language and every excuse, rationalization, deflection and evasion you've trotted out would still be sophistry and bullshit.
Meanwhile as you lecture on English prose style, partisan activity in Kherson is picking up and Russians are sinking train cars in the river as a make shift bridge so they can have an evacuation route…. but they're winning according to you. "Paragraph" that. -
Holy-Water — 3 years ago(September 18, 2022 07:41 PM)
I want to thank both
chrismac1970 and ToastedCheese
.
Great debate and I enjoyed the back and forth. I usually have strong opinions on politics but this time I don't know which of you is right. But I will say I hope chrismac1970 is right. Putin is a barbarian who will kill
innocent civilians
to win. He already has and on purpose. -
chrismac1970 — 3 years ago(September 18, 2022 08:48 PM)
Holy-Water said...
I want to thank both
chrismac1970 and ToastedCheese
.
Great debate and I enjoyed the back and forth. I usually have strong opinions on politics but this time I don't know which of you is right. But I will say I hope chrismac1970 is right. Putin is a barbarian who will kill
innocent civilians
to win. He already has and on purpose.
We got bogged down arguing over paragraphs and sentence structure towards the end. Sorry about that.
Two months ago I might have answered differently. I was of the opinion then that Ukraine might be in trouble and have to settle for borders as they were, although I never believed Russia could take the entire country. I feared they might not get HIMARS and other weapons soon enough to change anything. I also wasn't sure how quickly they would be trained on them and how effective they would be, not being a military expert. Well, those new weapons have proven quite effective and the Ukrainians have proven to be quick learners. The simple fact is that conditions have changed on the ground and even pro-Russian military bloggers are acknowledging it, so I don't believe it's just Western propaganda. -
ToastedCheese — 3 years ago(September 19, 2022 09:36 AM)
Where did I say they are winning? I have already commented that it is not about winning or losing.
You obviously are shifting the goal posts to evade the essence of what I mentioned about Russia having more connection and purpose to Ukraine, than the US ever did to invade the countries they had no business invading. I suppose you're going to tell me they didn't invade other countries and they had reasonable justification. The US WITHDREW from Vietnam.
I think you need to stop watching CNN and other bribed leftist news reports, media zombie…..
Norman! What did you put in my tea? -
phantomparticle — 3 years ago(September 17, 2022 12:39 AM)
Interesting turn of events in the face-to-face between Putin and Xi. The Bear is in real trouble and the Dragon holds a big stick over him.
Xi has to aid the Russians without getting China into a real conflict with the West. At the same time, Beijing, which is hellbent on supplanting the U.S. as the dominant world power, is counting on the war with Ukraine to seriously weaken Russia as a potential threat to their own interests down the road.
To Xi, Putin's growing folly and Biden's destruction of the American economy and increasing reliance on Chinese exports is a win-win-situation.
I'm not changing my "no" vote yet, but the situation could become so dire that Putin will have to resort to a make-or-break Gotterdammerung and bring a final resolution to the whole mess.
And This, Too, Shall Pass Away -
Millard — 3 years ago(September 17, 2022 12:49 AM)
Ukraine really does not need the Wests help.
https://us21.chatzy.com/m/54858866758294