martha line makes sense
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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
AmbienWineDiet — 9 years ago(October 03, 2016 05:21 PM)
like watchmen, a lot of revealed in the beginning intro montage in it bruce's dad dies and says Martha while bruce watches
without a doubt this would traumatize a kid and be engrained in them forever,
as superman gets his ass beat and is about to be murdered, with the last thing on his mind being his mom he was trying to save while in a delirious state, would it make sense he would say her name?? hell yaaaaaaaaa
the contrasting of this with the exact same situation of his childhood ( a injured superman vs and injured bruce's dad) would most certainly give him pause.
is it abit silly sure. but does it stand up logically. hell ya I cant believe how much flak this film gets WITH SUCH STATEMENTS AS "THE WORST MOVIE EVER" while xmen apocalypse's logic and the general film gets a pass as "kinda mediocre but oh well".
Xmen made noooooooooooo sense.. from the first scene to the last so nightcrawler can teleport to anywhere hes been or sees? yet cant leave the electrical cage.. -
CichlidAsh — 9 years ago(October 03, 2016 05:48 PM)
OMG the whole world did not get it till you came along and explained it to us it all makes sense now I am going to change my rating into a 9Oh wait a moment the actual effect of the name does not make sense at all I am going to mark it down to a 4 instead.
To make a great film you need three things - the script, the script and the script -Alfred Hitchcock -
AmbienWineDiet — 9 years ago(October 03, 2016 06:18 PM)
holy. a classic internet rager who lives in a black and white world :S
I would of rated the theatrical release of B V S a 3. due to it not making sense and eisenbergs performance
my rating is based on a 5 out of 10 being a mediocre movie that adds nothing new to cinema but is semi enjoyable
ya the script is important. but when you consider the REAL WORLD and how much they had to introduce all at once to catch up to Marvel it makes sense..
on the 4th viewing of BVS ULTIMATE EDITION batmans motivation makes sense. annoying ass eisenbergs Luther is insane but still his motivation does eventually shine through.
the exposition was hamfisted at times, but still plausible.
I offered the Martha example because it is a lightning rod for criticism of this film
I would rate BVS ultimate edition a 6.5/10. but the idea that the BVS script is so terrible, while as I said, some have said XMEN apoacalypse is simply a step down from the previous films is laughable
xmen apocalypse made no sense. the acting was terrible. the cgi was terrible. half the actors phoned it in. the plot made nooooo sense
So apocalypse can turn anything into sand or destroy it, yet all of a sudden wont use it on mutants who attack him. if they even game one line saying "it doesn't work on mutants" I would believe it. but xmen apocalypse makes BVS ultimate look like citizen kane..
why did mystique who was the mutant hero and "proud of being a mutant" only show up in the film in her normal blue for for 3 minute>???
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AmbienWineDiet — 9 years ago(October 04, 2016 10:07 AM)
we have a child here awww. your parents let you on the internet?
offer a logical argument why it didn't make sense. I gave mine
-batman seeing a dieing man that parralled his traumatic childhood experience, would LOGICALLY shake him up and give him pause
-superman logically would of said his moms name. he was about tp die, was semi delirious and had his ass beat.- logically batman who saw his parents die, would then try and help this superman who had just been humanized in his eyes.
offer an argument you child. or go back to watching sponge bob
- logically batman who saw his parents die, would then try and help this superman who had just been humanized in his eyes.
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OdumC — 9 years ago(October 04, 2016 12:19 PM)
Yes, I'm definitely a child. you sure called it. because I've seen enough GOOD films to know a contrived scene is weak, that makes me a child.
Do my parent's know I'm on the internet. Hmmm I would call and ask them, but they probably know since I've been getting online since there was just local BBS systems you got on with a 300/1200 baud modem. Ever hear of those? (Hint: it's long before AOL was a thing)
Sponge bob? that's your reference? no wonder you think "Martha" is brilliant writing.Thanks to Batmeh v Supermeh Yawn of Justice, the "S" now stands for Sidekick -
mettallmk — 9 years ago(October 03, 2016 07:00 PM)
No, it wasn't a bit silly.
It was utterly stupid, retarded and I imagine Goyer thought it was brilliant while laying around in a room in his underwear while writing the script full of pizza grease on his fingers.
IMDB - Internet Moronic Database -
AmbienWineDiet — 9 years ago(October 04, 2016 12:06 PM)
apparently its the worst line ever and the entire movie made no sense.. yet xmen apocalypse was just "mediocre".. even though 90% of that film made no sense
from multiple characters motivates being completely opposite to what they had established in the last 2 films. or just events making 0 sense in general
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tjlamb0518 — 9 years ago(October 04, 2016 12:15 PM)
I realize based on your other replies that you're just going to lash out when you read this, but you do realize why you're getting the responses you're getting, right? WE GOT THE LINE. It wasn't some deep Kubrickian level of nuance. It was the way it was handled that made it bad. Just like most of the story telling in this. And you coming by over 6 months after it premiered thinking you're dropping truth bombs on the people who've BEEN here? And then getting pissy when you're called out on it? Come on. It was a good story idea ruined by poor story execution.
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deadpixel128 — 9 years ago(October 04, 2016 01:11 PM)
The problem is not that we don't "understand" the scene. The problem is that it's f#cking stupid.
Batman completely changes his opinion on Superman from "I have to murder this guy" to "Imma save his mom" in an instant. Superman can't f#cking explain himself until after Lois comes in. The whole reason we're watching this f#cking movie ends because of
sheer coincidence
.
The scene sucks. No matter how you explain it, it is not realistic or logical. You don't have a problem with that. Fine. I wish I could enjoy this movie, but I can't. I'm planning to get into filmmaking, and I always look at the execution of every movie I watch. I understand the intent behind the scene, but the execution is f#cking atrocious.
If you can't defend a movie without bashing another, you will be put on ignore. No exceptions. -
deadpixel128 — 9 years ago(October 04, 2016 01:22 PM)
I'm talking sh!t about a widely-criticized scene and I'm somehow the one "living in a bubble?" Your insults don't even make sense.
And yes, you will be put on ignore. You don't have an argument. All you're saying is "People say this scene is bad, but I hate this other movie, so it's not bad." You're a complete f#cking moron. Go f#ck yourself.
If you can't defend a movie without bashing another, you will be put on ignore. No exceptions. -
kaine-qld — 9 years ago(October 04, 2016 01:11 PM)
Xmen made noooooooooooo sense.. from the first scene to the last so nightcrawler can teleport to anywhere hes been or sees? yet cant leave the electrical cage..
Problems in other films dont excuse BvS.
But if you want to bring those films into the argument, here is the difference. BvS was bleak and boring. It offered nothing in the way of entertainment to anyone who wasnt a mindless action zombie.
Films like Xmen, Avengers, Fast and Furious, Harry Potter or Star Wars all have like able characters and scenes or moments that make the film enjoyable. BvS did not. Rest assured people will still be complaining about all of the above in some way shape or form, but in most cases the good out weighs the bad.
Now, as for the Martha moment. It makes sense. No one in the world found the scene hard to understand. But that in no way makes it clever or redeemable.
It's like a bad joke that gets explained by the teller as if the reason no one is laughing is because they didn't understand it. Its not that no one understands, its just that it isn't funny. -
OdumC — 9 years ago(October 04, 2016 01:17 PM)
Best example I saw was someone spelling out a stupid joke..
Them: "Why was Six afraid of seven? because seven eight nine!"
Me ".."
Them: "Don't you get it? eight sounds like ate so six thinks seven sat down and ATE nine!!"
Me: "Oh I got it, it's just fcking stupid"
them: "But you didn't laugh, so you must not have got it."
Me: "Oh no, I really did get it, it's still just fcking stupid."
Same thing here. it was completely contrived and anyone who thinks it's "deep" and needs explaining is just admitting that they have a stunted understanding of things if they think this needs to be spelled out.
People got it just fine. it's just too fcking stupid to impress most people with an IQ over 75.Thanks to Batmeh v Supermeh Yawn of Justice, the "S" now stands for Sidekick -
ThoatWobblerMangrove — 9 years ago(October 05, 2016 01:35 PM)
Why did the chicken cross the road? To get to the other side!
You see, standard joke structure requires a "set-up", that establishes the premise of our joke. In this case, a chicken crosses a road, and we are left to muse about his motivation. This is to be followed by a "punch line", which elicits laughter. The punch line is generally something surprising in respect to, or even subversive of, the set-up. Your expectations are pointing in one direction, but the actual punch line pulls you someplace else.
[andrewdiceclayvoice]"I was over there. but now I'm over here now!!!"[/andrewdiceclayvoice]
Now, here is where the chicken joke becomes brilliantly subversive. The listener is, presumably, a human being who has lived on earth for several years and has had functioning ears that entire time. As such, he/she is assumed to be very familiar with how jokes work. Ergo, they will generally be prepared for the "punch line" to deliver them to someplace other than the standard destination. This joke knows this. In fact, this joke
counts on it
. In effect, the punchline becomes a surprise because it is standard and bland, following exactly in the standard direction indicated by the set-up. It completely subverts the listener's expectation based on their understanding of jokes.
The magnitude of the underappreciated genius here is stunning.
By the way, my son absolutely loved the "789" joke a couple years ago. Now he's 8, though, and he's a huge fan of Brian Regan, thanks to the power of YouTube.