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Actually I only need 3 letters. IVF.

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    Not_God — 9 years ago(November 18, 2016 11:27 PM)

    Actually I only need 3 letters. IVF.
    Use it to remove faulty rare disease gene.
    Boom. Your film is ruined.

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      NateParkerIsARapist — 9 years ago(November 19, 2016 12:26 AM)

      The live birth rate for each IVF cycle started is approximately:
      41-43% for women under age 35.
      33-36% for women ages 35 to 37.
      23-27% for women ages 38 to 40.
      13-18% for women ages over 40.
      There is a good chance IVF might not have worked.
      Boom. Refuted. You were wrong and couldn't dismantle anything.

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        Not_God — 9 years ago(November 19, 2016 12:29 AM)

        Uh, try it and see. Those above percentages would be for people who are already having trouble conceiving. Since she doesn't have that problem, the chances are much better.

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          NateParkerIsARapist — 9 years ago(November 19, 2016 12:34 AM)

          But if she had done IVF they would have ended up with a different egg and a different sperm and it wouldn't have ended up being Hannah.

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            Not_God — 9 years ago(November 19, 2016 12:36 AM)

            That might happen anyway naturally because she doesn't know the exact second of conception.

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              NateParkerIsARapist — 9 years ago(November 19, 2016 12:39 AM)

              No because she can already see her life at non-linear points of time. She could see them together creating Hannah.
              You might not have enjoyed the film but nothing you have said dismantled it. Sorry.

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                Not_God — 9 years ago(November 19, 2016 12:42 AM)

                How is she going to get Hawkeye to splooge at the precise microsecond required?

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                  erlend-powell — 9 years ago(November 19, 2016 01:37 AM)

                  The idea is that she doesn't have to, because it's already happened. She's just seeing the future events that have already unfolded.

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                      aznxscorpion517 — 9 years ago(November 19, 2016 12:51 AM)

                      If the movie is going by the short story of how time perception is then she cannot change her future so it doesn't matter.
                      From the short story:
                      "The heptapods are neither free nor bound as we understand those concepts; they don't act according to their will, nor are they helpless automatons. What distinguishes the heptapods' mode of awareness is not just that their actions coincide with history's events; it is also that their motives coincide with history's purposes. They act to create the future, to enact chronology.
                      Freedom isn't an illusion; it's perfectly real in the context of sequential consciousness. Within the context of simultaneous consciousness, freedom is not meaningful, but neither is coercion; it's simply a different context, no more or less valid than the other. It's like that famous optical illusion, the drawing of either an elegant young woman, face turned away from the viewer, or a wart-nosed crone, chin tucked down on her chest. There's no correct interpretation; both are equally valid. But you can't see both at the same time.
                      Similarly, knowledge of the future was incompatible with free will. What made it possible for me to exercise freedom of choice also made it impossible for me to know the future. Conversely, now that I know the future, I would never act contrary to that future, including telling others what I know: those who know the future don't talk about it. Those who've read the Book of Ages never admit to it."

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                        Tsotha-lanti — 9 years ago(November 21, 2016 10:46 AM)

                        Looking forward to your career in medicine. You may one day save us all.

                        Imagine that.
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