This make no sense!
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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — Arrival
movibiju — 9 years ago(January 11, 2017 10:35 AM)
They are much more advanced than us and they can see their future. Why they dont start working now in order to have a different future?
Does this film imply that humans are the aliens' only alternative and the future is static and unchangeable? Can they prevent the situation before it happens so they will not need help from no one, especially from a race whose probability of survival is so thin?
Do we need a mystical language that will make us see in the future? Dont we have the ability to understand rationally that wars, corruption and the destruction of our planet will lead us to our doom?
Besides, we already have a lot of spiritual warnings. The Bible, the Hopi, Edgar Cayce, Nostradamus and also several people around the world who are receiving premonitions about the future. And what skeptics say about those premonitions? They say that it is not real!
Who would make any skeptic learn a mystical language given by aliens?
Who would make Trump and other people like him want to learn a mystical language when they do not believe in scientific data about climatic changes? -
loran1212 — 9 years ago(January 14, 2017 01:04 AM)
The aliens probably found the scenario where humans helped them to be the best case scenario,and also a zero-sum game. Also, we don't have to all learn their language immediately, the time frame the aliens looked at was 3000 years, that is an incredibly Long time. I saw the gift of their language as a catalysator of slow change.
The movie also shows what to do about people like Trump, the Chinese general essentially fills that role. If he is able to be convinced, he can tell you how he was convinced, so you can convince him. -
movibiju — 9 years ago(January 14, 2017 12:23 PM)
he can tell you how he was convinced, so you can convince him.
And if he cannot be convinced
Well, through scientific data, no way. Maybe when he is surrounded by water in his Trump tower he will believe.
I guess all the people of the world will have to tell somebody how to convince them to learn that mystical language.
We already have in our brain the ability to see the probable future. But the real future just happens when it happens, until then is always in motion. It is like the cat of Schrdinger, until we open the box, the cat is alive and death at the same time.
But through hypnosis or some deep meditation, our brain has the ability to go back or go forward. -
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sebaser — 9 years ago(January 15, 2017 03:16 AM)
And Louise knows her daughter will die and yet is helpless to do anything about it.
Dont just assume that if the aliens can do some spectacular things, they are omnipotent.
Do we need a mystical language that will make us see in the future? Dont we have the ability to understand rationally that wars, corruption and the destruction of our planet will lead us to our doom?
How about you live your safe space of your sheltered life and look on some world news or maybe even, visit another country?
Somehow knowledge of prices of war didnt stop war from happening throughout humanity's entire existence. Even today in time of the technological revolution King Obama is trying to start a War with Russian, and Hillary Clinton openly stated she would start one while people cheared on.
Besides, we already have a lot of spiritual warnings. The Bible, the Hopi, Edgar Cayce, Nostradamus and also several people around the world who are receiving premonitions about the future. And what skeptics say about those premonitions? They say that it is not real!
Since its not?
Do you believe in dragons and elfs also?
Who would make Trump and other people like him want to learn a mystical language when they do not believe in scientific data about climatic changes?
Dont assume that because you disagree with him on one thing, hes automatically an unreasonable or even an ignorant man.
And even i have my skepticism about human caused climate change, as the scientific field isnt exactly know for its infallibility. Especially when it comes to interest of multi billion dollar companies, it wasnt long ago when cigarettes where healthy for you and lobotomy, the process of sticking a nail and your brain and mixing around till all you had was mush of blood and pieces of dead brain matter, a great solution for depression or your common cold. -
danielgalun — 9 years ago(January 15, 2017 03:24 AM)
Eh, the language does not work the same as exploitive psychics, it would be very easy to prove it worked. "Spiritual" psychic warnings can't prove a damn thing, in fact they are most often proven wrong. So everyone would be immediately convinced to learn it, unless you want to be the only helpless fool left who knows nothing about anything.
Also, they did start working now to have a future, they came and talked to us.
The above assumes I accept the premise of the movie, which I do not.
None of those things are why this movie makes no sense. It makes no sense because these aliens do not think in linear time, and they teach us the same thing. While in reality this whole idea does not work at all. Even if we ignore the endless amount of paradoxes, there is still the simple fact that biological life is linear and dependent on linear time. No creature in those conditions would gain anything from experiencing time in a non-linear fashion. It would just be confusing to the point where we stopped functioning. The same would be true for those aliens who are also biological life. They would never have evolved this way naturally, they must at some point in time have had linear thought. You know, hunt, cook, eat, it wouldn't really work if it was eat, cook, hunt and they'd die because they got the order mixed up. Without linear time they would have no concept of death or 3000 years, both of which they have. So at one point they were linear, but that's not how the movie tries to portray them, it acts like they evolved this way. Why would they even care about having a future when they evolved in a way were having a concept such as "future" would have been impossible? That just makes no sense.