Flaws **SPOILERS**
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markfilipak — 9 years ago(April 27, 2016 06:57 AM)
atom_alchemist wrote:
" the logical assumption is that the money was stolen sometime AFTER them [the Paris bank] closing, and sometime BEFORE them opening."
The Four Horsemen could have robbed the armored truck a day earlier than you're assuming. They could have robbed it a week earlier.
The bottom line is this: The Four Horseman robbed a bank in Paris. They rained the evidence of their robbery down on their audience in Las Vegas. Then the FBI fails to hold them. That's a hoot.
There is no alibi.
"furthermore, there would more then likely be evidence that we as the viewers don't see evidence that would further exonerate the group, who knows,"
Now you're making excuses for the film makers. That's good. It's the next step in your rehabilitation from fan-boy to film critic. Keep on the path to reality.
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markfilipak — 9 years ago(April 25, 2016 05:28 AM)
I wrote:
"Misleading: That, though they know that Wilder is not dead, and though there are no characters in the scene to be tricked by bogus displays, The Four Horsemen display shock when they see broadcast reports of Wilder's death. This is another example of tricking viewers which, when the truth is revealed, is pretty maddening."
atom_alchemist replied:
"again this is where OUR perspective is privileged, because we have a omniscient perspective movies NEED to trick usbooks are the same way, the easiest way a book prevents the omniscient perspective is to do the book in first person, sadly movies can't do that, so you are stuck with trickery. EVERY movie does this."
Why would they act shocked when they have no audience? We are the
viewers
of the movie. We are not
in
the movie. It has nothing to do with POV of story telling.
I wrote:
"Impossible: That The Four Horsemen create bubbles that surround Henley as she is ''levitated'' by wires without the wires breaking the bubble."
atom_alchemist replied:
"another time you are gonna need to apply suspension of disbelief and movie magic."
Why? Can film makers do whatever they want and we're supposed to suspend disbelief? They're supposed to make us believe. This isn't a super-hero film.
I wrote:
"Illogical: That The Four Horsemen hide the warehouse safe behind a giant mirror instead of behind a false wall."
atom_alchemist replied:
"a false wall would not work because the space of the room would suddenly become smaller walking into a room where a big long ol safe was and teh room is suddenly shortened, total must be a false wall."
You have been tricked into believing that the rabbit in the box trick uses a mirror, so you think the disappearing safe requires a mirror.
I wrote:
"Impossible: That, though it's clearly perpendicular (not angled), the giant mirror doesn't reflect the images of the FBI agents entering the (seemingly empty) warehouse."
atom_alchemist replied:
" it's CLEARLY at a angle?
http://imgur.com/ghXNbpZ"
Oh, sure. Now that we can see some mounting brackets, they're at an angle. But go back and look at the film. Behind the false safe is not an angled mirror. Look carefully at the corner where the "mirror" joins the side wall.
Regarding the rest of your post: You do realize that the Horsemen endangered everyone on that bridge, don't you? If that flipping car had gone into the oncoming traffic, dozens would have been killed or injured and there would have been tons of property damage. Even if it hadn't gone into the oncoming traffic, it still could have killed/injured dozens behind it. I suppose that would have been okay, so I suppose it's reasonable to conclude that the Horsemen would have actually done it? And to what point? Why even have an "accident"? Oh, wait, don't answer that. I really need to move on.
PS: One last point. They didn't need to be charged with bank robbery to be held. All the FBI needed was a judge's order that they be held. It's called "reasonable suspicion". That's due process of law. That they were released after raining stolen money down on their Las Vegas audience is absolutely absurd. Never happen.
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Outstandingness — 9 years ago(April 26, 2016 07:30 AM)
well done. Thanks for taking the time. Even though we've already listed so many flaws, the more I think about this movie the more flaws spring up (the Paris bank robbery was the most absurd thing I've ever seen in movies; borderline surreal)
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atom_alchemist — 9 years ago(April 27, 2016 12:28 AM)
take a mirror, put it at a 45 degree angle to the ground, then look at it head on, it will reflect the GROUND as well as the 45 degrees of wall, but since it reflecting 45 degress of wall thats mirrors said degrees, ad 45+45 is 90, hence why the room still LOOKS square. the mirror intersects the left wall right at a bare building.
go and take a look at this image, http://imgur.com/5QGKJMY
i highlight two things that PROVE it's a angled mirror, teh first is the far left, where i highlight the actualy mirro border itself and then highlighted the corner of the floor as well, notice how it forms a crude 45 degree angle?
the second thing i highlighted was atlas character reflection, notice ho as atlas walks away from the mirror, his reflection walks UP the wall, this is because the mirror is reflecting the floor which simply happen to include atlas as a well, until he move out of the reflection.
the whole point of that mirror trick is to confuse a persons depth perspective and to trick someone that a closed volume (such as a box, or room) can have a item simply disappear into thin air, they technically are hiding behind a false wall, that false wall just happens to be a mirror at a 45 degree angle and it confuses them into thinking they are seeing the entirety of the exposed volume, because they have a grasp of teh external dimensions and thus their mind can tell whether teh internal dimensions are correct.
also, i never said teh bridge stunt was NOT dangerous for innocent bystanders, of course it was freaking dangerous.
furthermore, as i said elsewhere in this post, reasonable suspicion DID apply, in fact, thats why they arrested the 4 horsemen in the FIRST place, but reasonable suspicion does NOT allow a them to be charged with a crime, in fact, to be charged with a crime, the DA has to sign off on it, and more often then not the da will require some physical PROOF that they committed a crime before charging them, and at what point in the movie did we EVER see any physical proof that they did the crime? other than the omniscient point of veiw that we as veiwers saw when freemans character explained what he THINKS happened. furthermore, see as we never see the release agreement when they were release, they likely were NOT ordered to stay in the state of las vegas, because those type of orders are to insure the person stays within teh area of jurisdiction of the investigating authority, for the FBI there was no need for it, because the fbi is federal, -
markfilipak — 9 years ago(April 27, 2016 07:03 AM)
atom_alchemist wrote:
" his reflection walks UP the wall,"
Gosh! I guess the FBI would never notice that. Hahahahahahahahahahaha
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ps_ssari — 9 years ago(September 19, 2016 08:46 AM)
When it was on theaters, I wanted to watch this movie, but my friends had insisted on a comedy movie. Now, having watched it, I'm happy I hadn't convinced my friends instead at that time. It was flashy, attractive, action-loaded, and utterly stupid.
I agree with most of the flaws listed (not all), but the biggest problem in my opinion is that it expects us to believe an extremely, exceptionally, stupid FBI.
This eliminates the challenge. No need to be smart any more, the FBI are complete idiots any way.
Even if we disregard the ridiculous mirror-room scene (guys, seriously, some of you are really trying to explain this logically?), why would FBI ever travel with a safe in the first place, which they thought was filled up with 0.5bn USD?
And, how the bank-heist in Paris is even possible? Yeah, they robbed the truck, cool, but HOW? just by modifying the bank's truck, hiding inside, and replacing the money in a dark alley? really?? is this your smart plot?
The ending did any one not predict the twist?
This is not suspension of disbelief. This is expectation of fooling viewers by terrible stage shows. Apparently it worked, so they made the second. -
pschissler — 9 years ago(June 08, 2016 08:22 PM)
Im not sure if anyone else said it, but it's made to seem that Michael Caine is the one who pulled them all together, bc he's paying the bills, but mark ruffalo contacted them. How did they convince Caine to pay bills?