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Tess-tastic — 11 years ago(September 14, 2014 07:44 AM)
Lack of discipline and respect in this country these days is part of the reason the UK is going down the toilet. Kids want respect but aren't prepared to give it.
You must all be quite young if you consider THAT to be bullying. When I was a child, my maths teacher used to throw the board rubber at noisy pupils. We just laughed about it, we never physically assaulted him for it.
Unprovoked violence is NEVER justified, so he got told off, big deal. He should have been expelled and prosecuted for ABH, if not GBH. Maybe if he'd put in some effort and not been so lazy, he'd have got a better grade. If he's provoked by a few words, how will he cope out in the big wide world of work? I can't see him ever holding down a job if that's how he'd act. -
Foxbarking — 11 years ago(November 22, 2014 09:24 PM)
I'm sick to death of older people thinking they're owed respect automatically with no exceptions whether they've earned it or not
Thank you! I am sick of this too. The poster you responded to was going on and on about the student not showing the teacher respect. But that's the word: TEACHER. A teacher is supposed to model behavior and teach respect. The teacher didn't show any respect, so how could he expect to get any in return from the student?
It makes no sense to respect someone simply because they've been on this world longer than me. Charles Manson is 81, should I respect him? Should I respect Rod Blagojevich because he is older than me, even though he tried to sell a US Senate seat? No, respect is earned. The teacher didn't earn respect and that is why he didn't get any. -
Foxbarking — 11 years ago(November 22, 2014 09:18 PM)
Lack of discipline and respect in this country these days is part of the reason the UK is going down the toilet.
Yeah, right. We hear that same crap over here. That the problem with the world is that youth don't respect the old.
Kids want respect but aren't prepared to give it.
Sort of like the teacher wanted respect but wasn't prepared to give it? You are arguing that respect should be reciprocal, but the teacher was the first person to disrespect someone else. If you truly believe that people should only expect respect if they are prepared to give it, then you shouldn't be defending the teacher.
I think what you mean to say is that youth should blindly obey the old. Respect is earned and the old people who get respect are the ones who earn it. You don't deserve respect simply because you have been on this earth longer than me. That is complete nonsense.
You must all be quite young if you consider THAT to be bullying.
I'm 39 and I consider it bullying. My grandma is 77 and she considered it bullying.
When I was a child, my maths teacher used to throw the board rubber at noisy pupils.
So because some teacher you had acted inappropriately, that makes it okay for all other teachers to act inappropriately Because you didn't stand up for your dignity, no one else should either? Sorry, doesn't work that way.
We just laughed about it, we never physically assaulted him for it.
Mind projection and moral highground. If your teacher spent more time educating you rather than throwing erasers, perhaps you wouldn't have committed this logical fallacy.
Unprovoked violence is NEVER justified, so he got told off, big deal.
It was a big deal to him. Just because it wasn't to you doesn't mean it wasn't to him. And he didn't get told off. He was singled out and humiliated needlessly in front of the entire class.
Maybe if he'd put in some effort and not been so lazy, he'd have got a better grade.
Completely irrelevant. You have absolutely no idea how much effort the student put into his work. I have known people when I was in high school and college who worked their butt off writing papers and still were not capable of writing very well. The teacher did not insult the student's effort, he insulted his work.
Regardless of whether the student got a good grade or not, the teacher's behavior was completely uncalled for. The teacher is responsible for his own actions and you cannot place the blame for the teachers poor conduct on the student's poor grade.
Perhaps you are not aware of this, since your teachers spent time throwing erasers at you rather than teaching, but a teacher's job is to educate. A teacher's job is not to humiliate their students.
So to correct your statement, perhaps if the teacher spent more time teaching and less time mocking his students, perhaps the student would have gotten a better grade.
If he's provoked by a few words, how will he cope out in the big wide world of work?
Completely irrelevant. We are not discussing the real world and this one thirty second clip of a person's life is not enough for you to draw these conclusions. There are also plenty of people who react poorly to verbal abuse who are successful in life.
I can't see him ever holding down a job if that's how he'd act.
who died and made you secretary of labor? If you honestly believe that people who respond to verbal abuse in a violent manner can't hold down a job, you're naive.
Lack of discipline and respect in this country these days is part of the reason the UK is going down the toilet. Kids want respect but aren't prepared to give it.
You have it backwards, actually. Older people think they deserve respect simply because they are old. It doesn't work that way. Respect is earned.
The problem is that people grow up and think that they should automatically deserve respect without doing anything to deserve it. With that sort of expectation, why should anyone do anything right? Why should anyone do anything good and decent and hardworking to earn respect if it's given out simply because you're older?
The man in this movie was a poor excuse for a teacher and a human being. He didn't earn any respect so why should he get it?
You think that a teacher who humiliates their students in class deserves respect? No he doesn't.
Perhaps if the teacher gave the student a reason to respect him, the student would have. However the onus is not on the student. The student learns from the teacher. The teacher was disrespectful towards the student and was treated disrespectfully back. The teacher was unwilling to show respect and he got none in return.
In other words, the teacher's job is to teach. The teacher was disrespectful towards his students. The students were disrespectful back. Seems like his lesson was successful.
It's a two way street. I am not saying the teacher deserved a headbutt, but you are naive as hell if you honestly think that teacher deserved anyone's respect. -
PinkFlyingPasta — 11 years ago(January 20, 2015 06:20 PM)
They were both wrong. If the school dictates you give an RS, that's what you do. You do it quietly and offer the kid extra help. You do not humiliate them. You also do not ever touch another human being for whatever reason. He had no right.