A massive problem.
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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — The Night Manager
jamesbloke — 10 years ago(March 27, 2016 10:27 AM)
Sorry, but this has been a big problem for me since episode 2. The night manager from the hotel in Zermatt just happens to be working in Mallorca at exactly the right place and time to rescue Roper's son from kidnappers?! Neither Roper nor any of his staff is suspicious of this is a HUGE coincidence?!?!
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ThePosterWasMeanToMe — 10 years ago(March 27, 2016 02:43 PM)
Yes, but the point is: Somebody like Roper would never fall for it. The best Pine could have hoped for was a wedge of cash as a reward and sent on his way. More likely, he would have been given concrete shoes and dropped in the sea.
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rd83 — 10 years ago(March 27, 2016 05:13 PM)
You're totally right, I'm sure Roper wouldn't have fallen for it but as for it being a massive problem I don't think it matters that much. They needed to set up Pine getting 'in' with Roper and although pretty unbelievable I thought it was done well and in an exciting way. They beat him so bad he nearly died, maybe this made it more plausible to Roper? Not sure if they intended to beat him so bad, can't remember now?
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tHe_cRacKfOx — 10 years ago(March 29, 2016 05:34 AM)
indeed:
http://www.imdb.com/board/11399664/board/flat/254605494
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rdavies23 — 10 years ago(March 28, 2016 01:54 AM)
I suppose it could be argued that Pine worked at the world's ultra elite hotels, of which there are prIobably only a few hundred. Roper and his entourage patronised those relatively small number of hotels. It is possible that you'd run into people you'd met before I guess.
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jbaddock — 10 years ago(March 28, 2016 04:23 AM)
I think the idea was to play on the fact that if Roper did have a weakness, it would be about his son, so that he would be much more grateful to anyone who rescued his son from kidnappers, but I agree that Roper seems uncharacteristically trusting where Pine is concerned. It's not just then, but also when he knows there's a leak, but doesn't seem to focus on Pine as being the most likely suspect. In any case, would he have let someone he's only known a matter of weeks assume such an important role in multi-million dollar arms deals? If he wanted to reward him for rescuing his son, wouldn't he have simply given him a job as one of his underlings?
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trevor-136 — 10 years ago(March 28, 2016 03:14 PM)
Pine made a pretence of wanting to leave after his recovery, Roper kept him, gave him a new ID so he had control over him. Pine robbed the Zermatt hotel and this attracted Roper to him, especially as he discovered his naughty deeds in Cornwall.
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torchwood1963 — 10 years ago(March 29, 2016 04:07 AM)
I have to say I still find it unbelievable that Roper trusted Pine. It was way to convenient and then how quickly Pine became too high in the ranks to Roper.
Not one person with a proper brain cell between them apart from poor (Corky), thinking that events were going a bit pear shaped as soon as Pine was on the scene????
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jellyroll2 — 10 years ago(March 30, 2016 10:52 AM)
I actually think Roper was just as seduced by Pine's charm as everyone else. You saw the admiring expressions on his face when Pine charmed or managed a person. Almost like a proud father. You saw the scales fall from his eyes once those truck blew up.
I too felt that he was way too trusting, particularly with how he had no qualms about Pine & Jed going off alone at all times of the day & night. Even sending them off together at times. But a) he's a complete narcissist so the idea of someone touching what was his was a foreign concept and b)Pine saved his son and by all accounts was just as shady and crooked as the rest of them. Roper believed it because he wanted to believe it, even with Corky waving red flags all over the place. -
mackay254 — 10 years ago(March 29, 2016 07:16 AM)
It's not just then, but also when he knows there's a leak, but doesn't seem to focus on Pine as being the most likely suspect.
But, you have to remember that there were 'leaks' in the Cairo debacle. As far as Roper is aware, he could be wholly discounted from that 'leak'.
He had met Pine in Zermatt; he was impressed by his 'unflappability' in the face of Corky's ribald humour; when he had teased him to take a drink to his naked girlfriend and again when Pine hadn't thrown away his cigarette - small things, but giving Roper a good and memorable impression.
And so to Mallorca Pine saved his son, nearly dying in the process; saved him lots of money and having done an exhaustive search, finds he's a wanted man - a thief and a murderer.
Corky's getting drunk all the time; taking the p!ss out of Roper; inviting 'tottie' to parties; p!ssing into the garden; is becoming a liability, because those with whom he is dealing don't trust him and creating scenes in restaurants, which Pine manages to diffuse.
To Roper: he wasn't the original leak; saved his son; is a criminal; unflappable and looks and speaks the part.
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tHe_cRacKfOx — 10 years ago(March 29, 2016 08:50 AM)
mmmmm..
impressed by an unflappability in the face of a bit of heavily homosexual orientated innuendo and not throwing a cigarette away.
please..
on the strength of that he's willing to oust the odious Corky (his pal and confidente) and bring Pine into the fold.
Nope
Roper only had to tell Corky to behave him self.
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mackay254 — 10 years ago(March 29, 2016 09:55 AM)
Read the rest!
All things mount up.
I once met some people, whilst on holiday, in Africa and met them again in Mexico! What are the chances of that?
I'd call it a spectacular coincidence. It just might be what Roper thought too. It's not beyond the realms of possibilty. -
madseavets — 10 years ago(March 31, 2016 04:41 AM)
All things mount up.
I once met some people, whilst on holiday, in Africa and met them again in Mexico! What are the chances of that?
I'd call it a spectacular coincidence. It just might be what Roper thought too. It's not beyond the realms of possibilty
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alarson772 — 10 years ago(March 29, 2016 12:59 PM)
Exactly. The setup was so obvious. Plus the fact that Roper didn't even bother to look for the guys who "kidnapped" his son. Surely a rapacious thug like him would hunt them down and kill them. Plot Hole.
The whole story hinges on Roper believing Pine's story and since one could drive a truck through those holes, I had a hard time believing the rest of the story.
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whoiamnow — 9 years ago(February 02, 2017 07:42 PM)
I'm going to respectfully disagree. It's the conscientious way that Pine carried himself that appealed to Roper. Small things like that should Roper that Pine was of a different fabric. Those weren't just quirks that Pine had, there was purpose behind it.
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Zwergin — 10 years ago(March 29, 2016 12:36 PM)
Maybe because the Englishman looks nice in a suit and talks oh so nicely?
And he is manning the desk during the night, I am not sure how much that involves him in general management of the hotel beyond check-in/out and guest complaints during the night.