Left wing america hating Propaganda
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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — Lions for Lambs
warlok1 — 16 years ago(January 17, 2010 01:06 PM)
I never bothered top waste money seeing this in the theaters but caught it on cable, this is a 'war' film allrightabout the generational warfare between Baby Boomers who want to see everything in terms of Vietnam and young adults who are rightly cynical about the bill of goods they've been fed by society (a society run by the Baby Boomers who keep criticizing 'they' the whole film)
First you have 2 'conversations' that are, quite frankly, boring as tearsMeryl Streep is a leftie reporter trying to delude herself shes relevant in an era where a blogger will scoop her long before shes decyphered her shorthandshes chatting with Tom cruise a Republican neo-con senator who's portrayed as a hawk with presidential ambitions, meanwhile Robert Redford is a college professor, veitnam vet and former protestor trying to convince a student he feels can 'make a difference' to do just that vs pursue materialism, finally we get 2 former students of Redfords in a mini 'black hawk down' in the mountains of afghanistan.
Cruise is the only person that comes across as a 'true believer' in fighting the war on terror, even tho its portrayed as a cynical ploy for his presidential campaignmean while everyone else comes across believing Afghanistan is a 'mistake' 'the wrong strategy' 'a waste' etc. This insults our armed forces who have been trying to quell a barbaric area for 8 years, one that initiated hostilities AGAINST our culture, not the other way around.
All the arguments from this film are the same ones used against Vietnam 40 years ago, and guess what? Yes we lost there, but it was a different world then, one where superpowers tossed money and ideology at each other in 3rd world countries hiding behind thier nuclear 'shield' the world today is one where any 19 year old can sneak some 'mysterious liquid' on an airplane and kill 200+ because he thinks he'll get into paradise.
This is where the film fails : its message is that the 'wise' baby boomers who as hippies were 'so right' on vietnam are the ones whose wisdom we need today, when in fact, having been given academia, politics, and industry, they haven't managed to solve societies problems with their 'new ideas'. This film is basically a huge self-praising baby boomer circle jerk as the boomers sneer how we've 'failed' against islamic extreemists the same way we 'failed' in vietnam, but who has 'failed' when Iraq (for whatever reasons we went in there) is now an emerging middle east democracy and Afghanistan (which even the extreme left conceeds we MUST be in) is the focus of the world community to stomp out the extreemists who hold zero value for human life?
The one argument Redford makes I can get on board with is essentially "What use an 80k car if the roads are crumbling? Or no gas to put in it?" And yes, Gov't's primary responsibility, anywhere in the world, is infrastructurebut in pointing out problems with no solutions (other than the 'mandatory year of national service' thats been a leftie big government wet dream since I was in high school 20 years ago.) this film is just an empty excercise in leftie hand wringing. -
coolguy5090 — 16 years ago(March 14, 2010 07:37 PM)
Why is it that any film that is critical of the U.S. or its government is inevitably labeled "Left wing America hating propoganda"? I didn't see anything about this film that was "America hating". Caring enough about your country to acknowledge its flaws and what could be done to make things better seems like the exact OPPOSITE of that, in fact.
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nymichael2002 — 15 years ago(August 22, 2010 10:15 AM)
So anything critical of our government is America-bashing? How about now with all of the people on the right criticizing Obama? I guess they're bashing our country or just exercising their freedom to criticize?
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MovieMystro — 15 years ago(October 30, 2010 03:56 PM)
I never bothered top waste money seeing this in the theaters but caught it on cable, this is a 'war' film allrightabout the generational warfare between Baby Boomers who want to see everything in terms of Vietnam and young adults who are rightly cynical about the bill of goods they've been fed by society (a society run by the Baby Boomers who keep criticizing 'they' the whole film)
I certainly didn't pay to see this crap and didn't even bother to see it on cable. Why waste any time on it at all??? -
Thirdover4 — 15 years ago(December 10, 2010 09:40 PM)
I didn't see the film but I caught a trailer for it on cable and I got the sense that Cruise is the "naive right wing" congressman proposing a "foolish" plan to instate a military buildup in Afghanistan. If that's the case, isn't it ironic that a military focus and increase of resources in Afghanistan was a cornerstone of Obama's campaign?
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OhioTexas — 14 years ago(October 14, 2011 01:46 PM)
I'm a moderate conservative and liked the movie, that's all I can say. I like Redford's style. It made me think: Okay, Afghanistan is not an easy task and it costs lives and money. But DO WE ACCEPT the consequences of pulling out? When should we pull out? How can we pull out while preventing Al-Qaeda taking control of the country again? Should we kill all Al-Qaeda leaders before we pull out? This movie made me think of this questions that's why I liked it.
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KingVidor — 14 years ago(February 12, 2012 04:54 PM)
The OP's is a perceptive and accurate post whereas yours is foul-mouthed idiocy and ignorance wrapped in a crude pretense of moral superiority.
As is typical of your kinds of posts, you don't say where you're from. You post from the nebulous status of "non-American" because you're a moral coward. You don't have any position of substance. Boring, warmed-over Marxist clichs from 100 years ago are not substantive. You're just lashing out like an arrogant 13-year-old who presumes understanding that he doesn't, in fact, have. -
kennellygerard — 12 years ago(November 18, 2013 02:15 AM)
This insults our armed forces ?
your armed forces are sick animals that torture people till they say whatever you want them to say
your armed forces urinate on dead bodies
your armed forces are blinded by the obama lies