Who are you? Who? Who? Who? Who?
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mamu2 — 9 years ago(November 28, 2016 01:26 PM)
That's false too.
You don't think a being that gets angry, jealous, who lies and deceives, who changes his mind, who regrets his decisions, who murders innocents, etc. isn't imperfect??
How can a perfect being change his mind? The basic definition of 'perfect' is without fault or defectflawless. Are these not flaws? -
bastasch8647 — 9 years ago(November 28, 2016 11:16 AM)
Mamu, great post. Yeah, Satan is nowhere to be found in the Genesis account. Satan is a fallen angel - a pre-existent spirit being. Eden's serpent, on the other hand, is called a "creature" who is very "cunning" and whose habitat is the
earthly
Garden.
Moreover, angels are not classified as "creatures" in the Bible. Therefore, the serpent, a creature, cannot be a fallen angel and thus cannot be the fallen angel named Satan.
Nor is the serpent "possessed by Satan". Quite the contrary, all of its words and actions proceed only from a single source, i.e., its own self and its own nature. Nothing and no one is controlling the serpent. Had Satan been in control, Yahweh would have called out Satan and punished him. But He doesn't. Instead, He condemns and curses the serpent for the serpent's own actions, and doesn't lay responsibility for the serpent's misdeeds on Satan's shoulders.
Purely and simply: Satan does not exist - and is not active - in the Garden of Eden story.
If God created everything, as the Bible claims, then he created evil and the means for people to do it.
Yes, if God is a creator, then he is ultimately to blame for all the evils within his creation. And if God is the creator Yahweh, then as you say, he is also to blame for all the evil plans, curses, unfair judgments and punishments, and all the other nefarious actions reported of him in the Jewish Bible. He is without excuse. And so are those who covenant with him and invent false arguments to defend the indefensible. -
mamu2 — 9 years ago(November 28, 2016 01:19 PM)
Had Satan been in control, Yahweh would have called out Satan and punished him. But He doesn't.
Right. Satan is not found crawling on his belly anywhere in the Bible, rather in fact is seen as walking around and standing in some verses. So Satan is clearly not being punished there.
Why would God punish the serpent at all if Satan had anything to do with the Fall? If Satan possessed the serpent, and Satan does not get punished while the serpent does, then God is unjust. -
bastasch8647 — 9 years ago(November 28, 2016 01:48 PM)
If Satan possessed the serpent, and Satan does not get punished while the serpent does, then God is unjust.
Amen to that. And, as you said, the serpent was not yet a "snake" before the curse. He lost his limbs via the curse and thus, I guess, became a snake. But as you said, none of that applies to Satan, who was never in the Garden to begin with, and has no body anyway, and hence has no limbs to lose -
marty-130-840283 — 9 years ago(October 14, 2016 06:55 AM)
Except satan was never involved in that, either.
except that, Satan was directly involved, tempting Adam and Eve, to eat from the tree, in the garden of Eden. Everyone knows that, Rumble, try google, or read the Bible.