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I still can't believe people don't get this film

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    Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — Josie and the Pussycats


    GTRrocker — 16 years ago(December 25, 2009 09:14 PM)

    Josie and the Pussycats perfectly encapsulates the American capitalist consumer aesthetic that was present when I was a 17 year-old teenager in 2001 (and always has and seems like it still does exist as strong today in late 2009), when the film was first released.This film is also eerily close to September 11th too. But this is probably just a coincedence.
    The character Josie obviously is an allegorical representation of early capitalism in America. She is hesitant early on when becoming big with the new record deal that helps her from struggling in the world, but she soon accepts it. The racial tension is felt between Josie and Valarie. This is perfect of the relationship between whites and blacks since after slavery was abolished and the dynamic was beginning to change from the master/slave relationship that helped build American companies early on. You can see at the end of the exchange, after Valerie and Melody were almost hilariously killed by Carson Daly (which represented a Cancer of the music industry), how condescending Josie is to Valerie, which white corporate America can be said to have toward lower income blacks. The racial tension is so overt in this film. I am surprised that it was even allowed to be made, since this film was marketed towards the 13-17 year old crowd. More than likely no one got it, except for the writers of course.
    The best part of this film is the relationship dynamics between all of the main characters. The most next most noticeable is the character of Melody, who I think represents blind optimism. This could be a reference to how nave children are early in life, compared to what happens when they reach the real world and realize they have been taken-for-a-ride. I think it is also commenting on the fact that we use consumerism in order to keep us younger and more attractive, or dare I say cool. The pivotal scene in the film for the Melody character is when Josie is confronted by the two girls, in what seems like an uncomfortable business-like corporate environment. In this scene Josie is no longer the small business that was prevalent in an early capitalist system. Josie has become the big corporation. And the band members represent the low level employees that have no say in anything important. This is obvious in the new business attire wardrobe that the Josie character is wearing. She also seems very disconnected emotionally and on a personal level from her employees (the other band members). This represents how the employer and employee relationship has evolved today. You work for a large business more than likely and you very rarely see anyone with significant power. Chances are your boss is just a low wage middle-man.
    In the scene I mentioned above, Josie basically crushes the blind optimism (Melody) that once drove Americas early success in the countrys underdog rise to glory, by telling her numerous hurtful things that almost seems like an alcoholic father would tell a child after getting too drunk one night after work. She bluntly stated that someday Melody was going to die, confirming her own mortality to her child-like self (mortality is a hard thing to accept, especially in a consumer driven culture we currently inhabit, and maybe always inhabited, where people are reaching for their credit cards to buy and stay young and entertained. Could this be a possible by-product of that tendency held deep within humans utterly to fear death and our own mortality? Think of how many religions have sprung up since the dawn of humanity to try and erase this tragic reality from our conscious).
    Not all people get a happy ending, Muffin, Josie says with a devilishly evil look. This for me is the death of text book capitalism as we know it, and the birth of symbiotic corporate capitalism that appears to keep the populace fat and happy, but merely keeps them unaware of how the structure has been systematically increasing its power over the citizens throughout the years. The citizens depend on this new state now and not on themselves like they once did. So basically the new culture of living where everyone wants to become rich and powerful, changes from early colonial history when people just made ends meat and got the bare essentials themselves.
    The last thing I want to mention is how the film eerily comes off as an American capitalist piece of propaganda. The scene with Eugene Levy is very similar to the nazi propaganda films that were shown in WW2. Eugene Levy is Jewish too, so this could be a subtle hint of that by the writers too.
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      zaphod1957 — 16 years ago(December 26, 2009 08:34 PM)

      Perhaps you can get a dissertation out of this

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        SoTyred — 15 years ago(May 01, 2010 02:49 PM)

        Wow. That is one interesting review. I love this film so much, it's nice to see someone actually put that much thought into it. Your statement about the Levy scene is so spot on, I would hope that most folks would have caught that.
        The scene you mention with 'Brainwashed' Josie entirely ripping apart Mel is a very well done scene (with a great payoff later when she apologizes), and yes ..it does have a very evil tone.
        I loved this film when it came out and they've been showing it on some of the premium channels lately. I hadn't watched it in at least 2-3 years and I just can't believe how well done this is.
        As someone in another thread said; it's almost like you don't expect a film based on Josie and the Pussycats is going to be as good as this is. I can't believe the average rating is only a 5!
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          spiritofsupergirl — 15 years ago(July 19, 2010 06:46 AM)

          Yeah, a 5 rating is criminal. This is a brilliant movie.
          It's one of those movies (along with "Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within"; maybe 2001 was just the year for overlooked brilliant films?) that needs to have a spotlight shone on it again. The most that Josie has right now is a poster on a wall in a restaurant in Universal Studios and a recent mention by the actor that plays Goku in "Dragonball Evolution" in a special feature on the DVD (they flash to a shot of the poster).
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            help_im_a_fishy — 13 years ago(August 14, 2012 10:00 AM)

            Wow. Just wow.

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              lferrigon-1 — 13 years ago(September 19, 2012 03:56 AM)

              I liked the movie and enjoyed the actors in it especially Rachael Leigh Cook as Josie.

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                KristenStewartForever — 13 years ago(January 27, 2013 05:54 AM)

                I actually adored this movie. Wyatt Frame was my favorite character.
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                  bighalsy — 13 years ago(March 30, 2013 08:08 PM)

                  Ahh, nothing like an excercise in mental masturbation by a first year college psych student. Sport, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

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                    mezobromelia — 12 years ago(May 20, 2013 11:09 PM)

                    And sometimes a condescending dbag is a condescending dbag.
                    Tough luck, chinless

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                      finn19 — 12 years ago(August 03, 2013 06:40 PM)

                      Wow. Way to write off someone's valid analysis of the film. The film actually does have a message about product placement and consumerism by using the rabid pop star/ boy band music culture as a backdrop for the story. Sorry the film didn't want to be a stupid movie with fart jokes for the kiddies, ala "The Flinstones" and "The Smurfs", and actually wanted to have a point, which too many people miss by the way. In fact, the only reason that this movie has a low rating on here is because people think that the filmmakers were paid for the logos they put in there, when in actuality, they didn't get a dime for them and they were just put in to emphasize the topic of consumerism that the film explores. So next time you want to be a condescending jerk, why don't you actually put some thought into it.
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                        RottenBeauty — 12 years ago(September 13, 2013 05:01 PM)

                        Clearly you prefer your masturbation to be physical, if you disagree why don't you actually make an argument about it?
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                          craigarawlinson — 11 years ago(May 11, 2014 05:50 PM)

                          Yes and the movie bears no resemblance to the cartoon that it is supposed to be based on. In fact, the director admitted this in and interview.

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                            rship1 — 12 years ago(January 22, 2014 04:20 PM)

                            I didn't get into it as deeply as the 1st post. But I love this movie. And I don't know where to start. How about the product placement everywhere & the nod to The Apple
                            http://www.imdb.com/board/10080380/
                            & Valerie does a Grumpy Cat face years before Grumpy Cat & Alexander taking everything off because everything everyone wears is advertised & Du Jour's name & where Du Jour sustained injuries

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                              lferrigon-1 — 11 years ago(June 07, 2014 04:32 PM)

                              I enjoyed the movie and would love to see a sequel. Rachel was great as Josie.

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                                BlackholeTraveller — 11 years ago(June 29, 2014 09:10 AM)

                                http://vigilantcitizen.com/moviesandtv/josie-and-the-pussycats-blueprint-of-the-mind-control-music-industry/
                                That's a spont on analysis of this movie.

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