Alonzo isn't even a little surprised to see Jake?
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DjokerFan — 9 years ago(November 17, 2016 08:42 PM)
I'd be startled and surprised as hell if I was in a bedroom with a mistress and anybody kicked the door down like that, much less a guy who was supposed to be dead. Alonzo looked like he was expecting Jake all along. Did Alonzo have a hunch that the Mexicans would screw it up? If he had that hunch, is he at all curious about how Jake got in the house?
Alonzo was a guy who seemed to always think a couple of steps ahead, so it seems odd that he wouldn't have warned his son "hey remember that white guy I was with before, well he might try to come in here. Do not let him in the house" -
transmentalist — 9 years ago(November 18, 2016 12:52 AM)
I'd be startled and surprised as hell if I was in a bedroom with a mistress and anybody kicked the door down like that
You're not Alonzo, an egomaniac who thinks he's bigger & badder than King Kong, who walks directly into gunfire at the Sandman's house because he thinks he's untouchable.
He seemed surprised, but not floored, in other words. I think you're right that he considered the possibility, but
seems odd that he wouldn't have warned his son "hey remember that white guy I was with before, well he might try to come in here. Do not let him in the house"
Nah, he wasn't that close to his son - heck he wanted to use him as a human shield. Fuqua's DVD commentary (one of my favorites) explains that "kids know," meaning that the son trusts Jake after sitting with him for an afternoon watching cartoons, something Alonzo has never done. Alonzo underestimated his son, just like he did with Jake -
DjokerFan — 9 years ago(November 18, 2016 06:52 AM)
Thank you for your response. You make very good points. I want to respond to a few though:
You're not Alonzo, an egomaniac who thinks he's bigger & badder than King Kong, who walks directly into gunfire at the Sandman's house because he thinks he's untouchable.
Alonzo probably heard Jake's footsteps and anticipated that somebody was about to kick the door down, which is why he was looking right at the door when it happened. I could see him thinking that one of the local hood guys (any of the ones in the King Kong scene) was attempting a burglary of his duffel bag, and didn't care because he was locked and loaded. But the fact that it's the guy who he just paid the Mexican gang to have killed? If there was ever a moment in the movie where Alonzo could have been like "um.uh.holy sh!t" it was this moment. And no he did not seem surprised, he just carried on like this was all part of the plan. King Kong really didn't have sh!t on him because even King Kong would have sh!tted his pants a little in that moment, wondering how the hell Jake escaped.
Nah, he wasn't that close to his son
True, but he didn't have to be father of the year to tell his son that the guy he just met today is not welcome in the house. -
gluiz — 9 years ago(December 24, 2016 06:44 PM)
I didn't think about that when I watched the movie (which was just now, by the way, can't believe it took me this long!), but I think it's easy to believe that Lorenzo saw it coming, or at least he was open to that possibility. I mean, it is chess, not checkers.