How was he recognized?
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The_Baba — 9 years ago(December 05, 2016 07:00 PM)
Or perhaps the cult members are familiar with the costumes enough to recognize that a newcomer was in their midst by not being familiar with Bill's.
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kelchic83 — 9 years ago(December 08, 2016 12:52 PM)
I had a theory in my head that Nick was given the password of "fidelio" to enter the party identified as the piano player, and that other guests were likely given a different password to enter the party as guests. Can't remember what gave me this notion though
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melchior6 — 9 years ago(December 19, 2016 11:14 AM)
Or perhaps the cult members are familiar with the costumes enough to recognize that a newcomer was in their midst by not being familiar with Bill's.
Precisely,not to mention that Bill came a while after the ceremony had already started, and stood apart from the crowd, which made him conspicuous -
Mustanaamio — 9 years ago(December 13, 2016 02:40 PM)
Some people at the party saw Cruise's character without a mask, and he was also the only one who arrived by taxi. If I am correct, they also found some Dr. Harford's stuff from his jacket that exposed him or something.
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DepheatingRub — 9 years ago(December 13, 2016 03:19 PM)
They saw him at the door without his mask.
As I've tried to make people here realize in the past, to no avail, Bill gave himself away with the word "Fidelio". Where did he get it? From the piano player the hired help. He entered with the staff password, through the guest entrance.
Straight off, that's two giant mistakes. The guards aren't authorized to stop anyone with a password, but they surely notified people that this strange thing occurred. From the moment he entered, Bill was on their radar. -
DepheatingRub — 9 years ago(December 14, 2016 09:28 AM)
What makes you think they weren't signaled? Bills jig was up when he came in -> he was being observed while he explored -> the hosts were informed of his infiltration. Its logical for me to follow that reasoning to some tip off: an underling giving them a sign indicating 'this is the one '
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LetThemEatCake01 — 9 years ago(December 14, 2016 11:03 AM)
ThE fidelio theory makes sense but I am specifically talking about the couple at the balcony that recognize him. There is nothing in the film or that particular scene that implies or suggests they were alerted about his identity.
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Barbed_Wire_Strawberry — 9 years ago(December 14, 2016 01:38 PM)
On a practical level:
He was seen on camera outside the gates.
Arrived by taxi (taxi still waiting outside).
Rental receipt.
Once they got the name (as soon as he entered) Bill's connection with Ziegler, Mandy and Nick would be exposed.
On a thematic level:
He doesn't 'belong'. The mental issue of his repression/anxiety is producing dual desires to be exposed as well as remain secretive. Being exposed at Somerton thematically is tied to many other moments in the film (Alice's confession, the frat boys, Ziegler/Mandy, Domino etc). It's an issue of being exposed or
saving face
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LetThemEatCake01 — 9 years ago(December 19, 2016 09:19 PM)
It's ok, it's called storytelling, if you introduce a plot point you are supposed to resolve it. Kubrick didn't do that, hence why his films are unbearable and entirely forgotten about by most people outside of this insufferable clique.
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LetThemEatCake01 — 9 years ago(December 20, 2016 09:16 AM)
Not at all, in all my years watching films, true films mind you, I've come to realize that Kubrick belongs to the Bieber and Bay crowd that fashions themselves to be intelligent. But they truly are not.