MeiLing,
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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — G.I. Jane
whitespirit26 — 18 years ago(April 19, 2007 08:28 PM)
MeiLing,
I've already been through this entire argument with other posters. My main point was not that he disrespected her, but that he disrespected her in a different way than soldiers usually are because she's not one of the boys. Hanging with the boys doesn't make you one of the boys and staring at someone naked doesn't prove one way or another that they can fight. I never expected her to squeal or anything like that, I just didn't like it; there's nothing wrong with that. In boot camp, kids are disrespected 24/7 in every way imaginable, but adults of the opposite sex do not walk in on them naked for obvious reasons; that's crossing the norm of typical military training and discipline. Either way, if you'd read all my posts here, I already said I came to the conclusion that Viggo's intentions were not as bad as I originally thought. As far as I'm concerned, the argument's over. -
ackmondual — 18 years ago(October 12, 2007 03:26 PM)
Hanging with the boys doesn't make you one of the boys and staring at someone naked doesn't prove one way or another that they can fight.
That's half right and half wrong. Half right b/c yeah, there's no link conerning seeing ppl naked and fighting. Half wrong b/c when one says "fight" in war, war isn't just winning in hand-to-hand combat, shooting better, or being the better tank driver. War also involves being mentally and pyscologically tough in addition to being in good physical form. Can this Really be a real issue regarding what Navy SEALs experience on the field? It's possible. They need to be quick and stealthy to survive and get their mission accomplished. If she needs to relieve herself then, giving her privacy may not be an option, so her male comrades would see her at least partially nude. She would have to be "one of the guys" b/c in the movie since she's the only woman in the Navy SEAL which was traditionally a men only environment so this issue wouldn't have been considered before, but is now a potential issue. ANYTHING, such as "weirdness" or unexpected situations that cause a shift of mind can be dangerous in warfare. That can cost lives. Better that this be realized in a shower rather then when the stakes are higher. That would be the simple reasoning as I see it.
But even then, this kind of stuff isn' tjust limited to the military. For example, a boy who's asked to work with 2 other guys to clean an entire grocery store did his job well and the manager later on gives him a job there doing inventory and help dealing with $, since he feels he would be a good fit. What does mopping floors and scrubbing a bathroom have to do with duties done in a day-to-day operation of a grocery store? Nothing directly, some of it does correlate.. 1) he did a thorough job, which shows he's commited, 2) he did it well which shows he knows how to get stuff done, and 3) since he had to work with 2 other ppl to get the job done, he has some communication and teamwork skills. Those traits apply to really any job. And while knowing how to actually DO your job is very important (you can only get so far with those traits if u don't kno how to manage a resturant, don't know anything about surgery, etc.), it's still a trait that adults in the workforce are assessed on.
Another example, if one were to get a degree, like in business or Electrical engineering, most Bacherlors degree courses also require some sort of core/foundation classes in addition to those that comprise of the study they pursue. An EE student may probably never need to know Greek mythology, history, how the economy works, italian, the rules of basketball, and a Bus. student may never end up using calculus 2, but these extra 'outside' courses serve as to make one's education more well rounded.
POint is, everything can be VERY relevant, and in the military, it's especially so.
ORANGE for all
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heraldcowgirl-1 — 19 years ago(February 12, 2007 11:15 AM)
Hello People this is just a movie and the actors/actresses have to do what they are told!
Jonny Depp
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azurit — 17 years ago(July 08, 2008 02:12 PM)
the point is: in seal training young trainees are being repressed by the trainers. Maybe the chief gave her an extra bad treatment bun in general he was an beep to everyone. He was testing everone to find some weak spots.
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jrtomasso — 12 years ago(November 30, 2013 11:10 AM)
You are obviously misandrous (hatred of men, in case you don't know what that means). "what makes you think I'd stick around? I'd knee him and run! He wouldn't have time to punch me back."
How about if I said the same thing, but the sexes reversed? A woman walks in on me showering, so I punch her in her tits and run! She wouldn't have time to punch me back.
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alphanumericus-363-19674 — 13 years ago(July 21, 2012 06:05 AM)
Actually in SERE training the male soldiers go through mock interrogations where they are stripped naked and have female interrogators. The comments from the women interrogators aren't very compimentary, if you know what I mean. The goal is to see how a soldier can deal with humiliation, although this part of the training is a bit controversial.
The shower scene with Moore was a bit of a play on this - instead of screamig and covering up she walks up to the chief and says something sarcastic, putter her in the dominant position. -
bzomba-1 — 19 years ago(March 28, 2007 02:03 PM)
Let me see. How can I put this?
"I have never seen women wearing string-bikinis on a beach
feeling awkward about it(not the ones looking like Demi Moore anyways)
A woman might sunbade topless for hours
without ever feeling awkward about it"
It no doubt is like when you go to the doctor for a check-up and the doctor is a she. You know somewhere back in your mind that you've read a porn-mag short-story about just that incident but you bury it deep and act like your parents actually raised you to be a homo sapiens sapiens. -
paul-fisher-ctr — 18 years ago(April 25, 2007 11:17 AM)
The whole premise of GI JANE is absurd. In reality in todays military female troops generally make a beeline for MEO for fairly minor allegations much less anything like this movie. Women are not in SF for the same reasons they are not in the NFL. Several nations have tried seriously such as ISREAL to integrate women into SF it has never worked.
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ackmondual — 18 years ago(October 12, 2007 02:45 PM)
Well, w/o diving into deep research, IIRC, Isralean and Russian women did their fair share of sniping from WWII to more modern times (from readings, but also from that half remembered WWII film Enemy At The Gates). They killed enemy combatants which definately put them in a combat function. Dunno if it's still like that these days. If they are directly involved in combat, I'm guessing it would be in a limited capacity
Isralean women know how to handle uzis and similar such firearms, but again, whether if they use them often or not is another thing entirely.
ORANGE for all
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blondinii — 18 years ago(January 15, 2008 08:50 AM)
SF is the upper 2-3% of troops: physically, mentally, and in each required discipline - hand-to-hand, strength, shooting, endurance, running, swimming, et al. There are some women approaching that 2-3% the exception proves the rule. Why are male and female sports are gender segregated to protect the men ????
