Whatever this topic has gone so far that we are in China already! Im portuguese and 1st of all, Amistad is not a portugu
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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — Amistad
Sam_Andres — 20 years ago(February 19, 2006 11:49 AM)
Whatever this topic has gone so far that we are in China already! Im portuguese and 1st of all, Amistad is not a portuguese word so those guys in the movie killing slaves throwing them into the sea are not portuguese. 2nd of all, the actors are speaking spanish in the movie so those guys in the movie are not portuguese. And at last, American movies, they only talk about Portugal to say beep about this beautiful country! Its sad! Oh and by the way the best horses of the world are not from Spain they are from Portugal! Portugal has the best horses of the world! And whatever! Peace everybody talk with Bush make him sign the Kioto protocol cause we are already living a "Day After Tomorrow".
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Lopekal — 20 years ago(February 19, 2006 06:43 PM)
What I'm saying is that what we have going for us is a conscience.
Oh please..stop.bwahahaha.
The day that the US administration and your fellow countrymen at large, develop a conscience, the day that things will turn for the better on the planet. that isnt saying that people in Europe [or specifically the UK] have but for all the economic leverage the US has, it needs to properly develop one fast.
And how can you talk so proudly about Europe dealing in Iraqi oil.
When did I do that exactly? I stated that the reason the US led a second invasion of Iraq with the aim of deposing the leadder of a soverign state was because he had said he was going to deal oil in euros and not US dollars, thus breaking the necessity for countries to have reserves of US dollars and precipitating the collapse of your countrys economy.
And the reason we would go to war with Iran now (which, again, I do not recommend because we don't have the resources) is because Iran is a major threat to the security of Israel and the rest of the free world with that belligerent psychotic Ahmadinejad illegally pursuing a weapons program and dreaming of a world without Israel and without America.
Lets break this down and I will show you why your perspective is skewered.
Ahmadinejad pursuing an illegal nuclear weapons program? Just like Israel did and jailing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordechai_Vanunu
Mordechai Vanunu because he blew the whistle on it to the British press.
The only reason that the US, UK and teh rest of the nuclear powers like Israel dont want other countries to develop nuclear weapons is because it cancels out their power and would leave all nations on a level of assured mutual destruction.
How many times has Israel said that it will strike with tatical nuclear weapons if attacked? More times that a lunatic with a knife on a 3 day speed comedown.
And what makes the west or industrialised nations the 'free world'? Are we not slaves to industry just as much as developing nations are to their primative lifestyles? What makes our industrialisation so great? How does it emancipate us? We live in times where nearly everything we make either causes carcinomas, respiratory or skin disorders or the process of making those things does. We make products where more cost and resources is wasted on the disposable packaging that the actual product. We waste huge amounts of energy and resources and yet we can not control ourselves to reduce our consumption or change our ways and yet we are all aware of just how globally destructive this lifestyle is.
How does that make us 'the free world'? We are slaves, from birth and more than likely until the day we die to the act of consumming the world.
Do not even begin to talk about your administration's 'humanity' to others. Your concept of 'humanity' is like a rapist claiming to be a good person because he gave his victim a tissue to clear themselves up with.
what our administrations donate is about 0.01% of our GDP to nations where we gain a vast amount of our natural resources that we squander on our vacuous way of life.
This sucks so much because there are morons running my country and pussies running yours.
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Lopekal — 20 years ago(February 20, 2006 06:13 AM)
Women are still beaten in the west and objectified. Human rights only seem to apply when they work in our convenience.
You're an idiot who believes that wherever you were born would be the better culture . You have no ability to objectivily examine your surroundings or situation and you cant bow out of a discussion without being rude, abusive and a complete arse.
Before this point, I hadnt been abusive about you personally because Im well aware that all I know about you is your words that you post. If you cant deal with someone questioning them then cancel your internet connection.
You seemingly swore long ago not to have a political argument on the IMDB and yet you were upto your neck in it before I gave you a reeming. -
gonethesun921 — 20 years ago(February 20, 2006 05:23 PM)
This thread has gotten very far from where it started but your load of nonsense is among the worse offenders.
- Iraq selling oil in euro's causing the collapse of the US economy? Complete fabrication and wishful thinking. Citing this only reveals a child-like understanding of economics. Trading oil in euros would not greatly affect foreign exchange reserves, nor would it affect the US economy. The reason other countries invest in dollars is due to the strength of our economy. This is despite importing 60% of our oil. Perhaps you should investigate what percentage of oil is imported to countries in Europe, and how much more dependent they are upon foreign oil than the US.
- Lest you forget, Iraq couldn't sell oil, except for food for its citizens a program that was being circumvented largely by corrupt Europeans and Russians, seeking to line their own pockets. Further, France and Russia both had multi-billion dollar contracts in place with Saddam's government to explore and exploit oil reserves. No surprise then, that these same nations opposed military action against Saddam Hussein, as these contracts became null and void.
- There is no denying that Iran is illegaly pursuing nuclear arms. Even the Russians would acknowledge this fact, behind closed doors. Russia's continued support of Iran despite this is simply a cold-war style power play on their part. They have allied themselves to Iran, Syria, and Hammas - the anti-Israel faction on the world stage. This dynamic will continue to play itself out in the next several years.
- Discussing Israels own nuclear weapons program from the 1950s and 1960s is childish and irrelevant. How does Israeli production of nuclear weapons in 1964 relate to Iran's clearly illegal pursuit of such weapons in 2005? The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty was signed in 1968. Israeli weapons predate that agreement. Israel was not one of the declared nuclear powers at the time of signing, but possessed nuclear weapons and was suspect of this. Nations that were following a similar path are why the treaty was formed to begin with. You might as well discuss how the UK or France or Russia acquired nuclear weapons.
- One might wonder WHY Israel feels a need to protect itself so strongly from its many enemies. One need only look at the textbooks of every Arab nation to understand why - Isreal is not recognized to exist by any of these nations, and most are sworn to its distruction. You might also behave in such a fashion if outnumbered 10 to 1 by people sworn to kill you.
- Your "free world" rant is just utter BS. Every individual makes lifestyle choices, whether in an industrialized nation or not. In fact, in the West, you have far more freedoms and choices that allow you to get OFF the rat wheel, than say the people of China, Russia, or much of the rest of the world. Having lived in Europe for 6 years, travelled Russia and central Asia - I can say that the US affords greater financial freedom for its citizens than anywhere I have visited or lived. That doesn't mean that our citizens always make good choices with their finances, however. Freedom brings temptations.
As for this nonsense about carcinomas and the like - our environment, the human environment, is much cleaner and safer and less polluted than it was 100 years ago. We suffer from less waste and health problems than we did at anytime in the past. In 1900, the average life expectency in the US was 48. People have no sense of perspective and over-romanticize the past. You are perpetuating a myth of increased cancer rates and death. Yet we keep living longer and healthier lives - obviously there is a misperception somewhere. We live in an age and part of the world where cholera, malaria, many parasites and diseases cease to afflict our people. - While other developed nations give a larger percentage of their GDP in Official Development Assistance to poorer nations, the US is BY FAR the largest contributor, giving over $19 billion to that program alone. That represents an amount larger than the sum of the next two largest contributor nations (Japan and France). The contribution to this program alone is already larger than your cited 0.1%, and does not include other aid programs the US gives to other nations. In terms of total dollars, there is no nation in the world that gives more assistance to other countries than the US. None. It is not even close. And this does not even include the generous spirit of Americans who work in other nations in programs such as the Peace Corp, American Red Cross, and other charities.
- As to the poster who tried to cite inaccuracies regarding Isabella II - perhaps they should go back to school. Isabella was born in 1830, was actually 9 at the time of the Amistad Mutiny, and her mother was regent. However, within months after the trial, her mother had been overthrown as regent by Espartero. In 1841, Espartero was made regent by the Cortes and became virtual dictator. His ruthless s
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meggiblue — 20 years ago(February 20, 2006 06:19 PM)
ok to close up this argumentportuguese and spanish are different languages but i lived in portugal for 10 years (my whole childhood) and i know the language fluently and now living in California and listening to all this Spanish, i understand them because i know portuguese!! yes they're diff languages but they're very similar!!! and someone who knows portuguese fluently can understand a spanish person pretty muchno doubt. i'm living proof. but they were speaking portuguese most of the time and messed up a bit with a little spanish but it's ok, still a good movie!
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Gus-69 — 13 years ago(May 17, 2012 01:59 PM)
Fellini1977, you are not too clever. Why use the name of a deceased master filmmaker instead of something like UweBoll1977 or RolandEmmerich1977?