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FizzyGillespie — 11 years ago(January 30, 2015 07:23 PM)
- The book was released in 1990.
- The script was first written in 1992 (picked up that December).
- Quentin Tarantino has cited Elmore Leonard as one of his influences.
- Pulp Fiction was released in October 1994.
You're saying that
Get Shorty
was written, cast, produced, filmed, edited, and released in less than a year? Would you care to revise your statement?
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fluffchop — 10 years ago(July 24, 2015 01:26 AM)
You don't direct books.
Lots of scripts are written, that doesn't determine how they're directed.
You're mentioning Pulp Fiction, why? It's not like that his first work. If you want to go that way then I'm sure Barry Sonnenfeld (director, producer) saw Pulp Fiction. I'm also sure he was trying to make a movie in that directing style as he saw it as a way to capture the writing style of Elmore Leonard.
If I said it's a bad attempt at a Robert Rodriguez movie, people would scratch their heads. So I said it's a poor attempt at a Quentin Tarantino movieso go beep yourself.
It's a poor attempt at that style of movie. PERIOD. It doesn't call for your absurd attempt to lay out a timeline or wank on about all your beep
It's a statement of fact.
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EtaoinShrdlu001 — 10 years ago(November 14, 2015 01:37 AM)
I don't agree with FluffChop that Get Shorty is a Poor Attempt at a Tarantino Movie.
However, FizzyG's arguments against FChop's statement contain nothing relevant to support Fizzy's opposing view. FluffChop had a direct and compelling answer to each of G's numbered reasons why he believed Fluff's opinion to be inncorrect. When the book was released, script written, etc., has no bearing as to why Get Shorty was
not
a Poor Attempt imitating Tarantino's style.
On the other hand, FluffChop has yet to offer any detail or reason as to
why
"Shorty" is an attempt - a Poor attempt - at imitating Tarantino's style, beyond the ubiquitous "It's a statement of fact.", and "go beep yourself".
Opinions are not Statements of Fact. Everyone has an opinion on a subject, (No, They Don't). See?
Some people have concrete reasons for believing somethin; others can't quite articulate why they feel a certain way.
FizzyG offered a number of reasons why he disagreed with FluffyC. They weren't very compelling, but at least they were shared somewhat politely. I would very much like to hear FluffChop's reason for thinking Get Shorty is an inept copy of Tarantino's style.
Time for me to put up or shut up.
I do not think Get Shorty is an attempt, poor or ottherwise, of a Tarantino movie.
Before the time Pulp Fiction became a hit in 1994, Tarantino had 2 films started but never completed, a script he wrote (True Romance) sold for the minimum a scriptwriter can be paid, it was not immediately released.
In 1992, he made an "arthouse" film released in 19 theaters, gradually making it's way to a whole 61 screens in US. (Res Dogs). Due to the Critical success of Res Dogs, True Romance was finally released. Also due to Dogs critical success, Tarantino was given a greenlight on Pulp Fiction, produced, coincidently, in part, by: Danny Devito!
This film became a box office hit and Tarantino was becoming recognized as the brilliant writer/director that he is known for today.
By the time Get Shorty (1995) was released, Sonnenfeld had already had been Cinematographer/Director of Photography for 15 films over 8 years working for such directors as the Cohen Brothers, Penny Marshall, Rob Reiner, Danny DeVito and more.
He had directed 3 films, Shorty being his fourth. (The others were the blockbuster Addams Family movies, and an not-so-hot RomCom with MJ Fox).
Two very different directors.
But at the time Sonnenfeld was producing Shorty, Tarantino was just a blip on the radar, the new kid/fad on the block, certainly not someone recognized as having a "style" to "borrow".
Sonnenfeld had years more experience and was making his own film. Produced and co-starring Danny Devito.
The point is, even though we know Tarantino's films today, in 1995, he wasn't famous enough for Get Shorty to be Tarantino esque.
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zee944 — 9 years ago(July 02, 2016 08:48 AM)
You're mentioning Pulp Fiction, why? It's not like that his first work.
Too bad his only earlier work, Reservoir Dogs has little of Elmore Leonard's world, so comparing a quite faithful Elmore Leonard adaption, Get Shorty to that would make your initial claim even more ridiculous.
On the other hand, Pulp Fiction has a tremendous amount of Elmore Leonard's world. It looks very much like you were thinking about Pulp Fiction when you made your claim, but now seeing it's very unlikely they had enough time to copy it, you're trying to back out of it now. -
SoAudreyHepburn — 10 years ago(August 26, 2015 03:50 PM)
Nope, not a poor attempt at a Tarantino film. Incidentally while Travolta was filming Pulp Fiction, Quentin read the script and John was going to turn down the Get Shorty movie when Quentin convinced him orherwise