Why? She "banged" anyone! She wasn't exactly a class act.
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MissMargoChanning — 5 years ago(August 01, 2020 10:22 PM)
Why? She "banged" anyone! She wasn't exactly a class act.
Nicky could have done better. He was a horny old fart, looking for a way to stick it to his former friend. Why not use this cheap whore to drive her husband crazy?
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Gigi S. — 5 years ago(August 02, 2020 12:04 PM)
Yeah he was. Especially how he controlled every single thing Ginger did! Every aspect of her life. And it wasn't that he really believed Ginger wanted her pimp boyfriend or was cheating on him at first. He was just a control freak. He controlled everything in his life: his money, his assets, other people's money, the lives of his children and friends. He wanted to save her, but he went about it all the wrong way in my opinion. He treated her like a pet.
It would be cool to hear what Martin Scorsese says about the characters after all this time. Unfortunately I used to get that information from watching The Actors Studio. The show isn't on anymore. There is another that replaced it.
Nicky was also controlling but not in the same OCD way that Ace was. Although, I learned something from that character that helped me get as far as I did after watching the movie. I'm grateful for this discussion because I'd completely forgotten the lesson I learned from Ace Rothstein. I know…he's just a character in a movie but honest to God. I actually learned something from him. I learned something from all the characters tbh. How not to behave. Who were good people, bad people and all moralities gray areas. What is acceptable and what isn't. The type of people they were etc. -
Hutch — 5 years ago(September 27, 2020 03:29 AM)
Are you serious? How could anybody feel sorry for Ginger? She was a cold, manipulative bitch who never cared a bit for Ace. Yes, Ace was controlling, but at least he resembled a human being. He gave Ginger everything she wanted and she was never satisfied. If she didn't like the situation with Ace, then she could always hit the road. It's not like she didn't have survival instincts. Ginger was a barracuda and I found her to be despicable.
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Margo — 5 years ago(September 27, 2020 08:53 AM)
She was a cold, manipulative bitch who never cared a bit for Ace.
Ginger wasn't cold blooded. And Ace knew that Ginger wasn't in love with him. Love wasn't the foundation of that marriage. Ginger told him right away when Ace was talking about them getting married. He basically bribed her. It was an arrangement.
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Hutch — 5 years ago(September 27, 2020 07:53 PM)
Yeah, I guess she wasn't exactly cold-blooded. But she was completely irresponsible and selfish. She tied her child up to the bedpost because she wanted to party. (To say nothing of the horrible way she treated Ace.) I think this alone makes her the worst character in the movie.
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Margo — 5 years ago(September 27, 2020 08:18 PM)
Well at that point she was strung out on drugs like Nicky and the rest of his crew. She didn't seem like she was in her right mind anymore. I felt sorry for her dying like that. Ace could have sent her to a drug rehab center, but he didn't. That isn't the way the plot went. I guess the point of the plot was to show how incredibly selfish all of those guys were and the type of women they chose to be with.
I don't think she treated Ace all that bad but he acted the victim the entire freaking movie. I loved every minute of that 3 hour film and that is saying a lot since movies generally have slow parts in them. This one did not.
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Hutch — 5 years ago(September 27, 2020 08:28 PM)
I don't know that I would give Ginger a free pass for tying her child up because she was strung out. That's pretty much the same thing as excusing a drunk driver for hitting a pedestrian because the driver was drunk. And Ace did ask Ginger more than once to go to AA and Ginger wouldn't do it. Ginger didn't want to get better.
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Margo — 5 years ago(September 27, 2020 08:48 PM)
Yeah I thought that was cruel what she did to her kid. No excusing that. Ace could have had her sent to rehab for that reason alone.
But, Ace knew how Ginger was before they got married, and he could have forced her into a rehab center. It's not that hard. He had help from the Bosses. Ace could go complain to the Boss about Nicky making trouble but he didn't think to ask them for help with Ginger? Or maybe go to Nicky to ask Jennifer for help?
Ace had a lot of option concerning the problem he had with his family. Instead he continues to do the stuff that drove Ginger away from him. I don't even think Ginger was strung out on drugs before she met Ace. She was afraid of Ace and the other mafia people. She begged for a divorce. She begged for a way out of the situation. Ace used his power to control her.
I don't think Ace loved Ginger at all. I think she was just like his pet poodle or something that he was trying to show off. She was a trophy wife or sorts.
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Hutch — 5 years ago(September 27, 2020 09:01 PM)
Yes, Ginger told Ace that she didn't love him and probably never would. I guess Ace shouldn't have acted too surprised when she kept going back to Lester, who was no prize. Probably Ace thought he could change Ginger, but that's just a fool's paradise. And, yes, he probably could have forced Ginger to go to rehab, but I am thinking that she would have just gone back to her old ways.
Ginger may have asked for a divorce, but as soon as she left Ace, she called him, crying and seemingly remorseful, and the minute she got back, she was cold and unpleasant towards Ace. She did a complete turnaround and I think this was the scene where I really started to hate the character. I can't say whether or not, Ace ever loved Ginger, but he had many moments where he expressed tenderness and affection towards her.
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Margo — 5 years ago(September 27, 2020 09:26 PM)
Yes, Ginger told Ace that she didn't love him and probably never would. I guess Ace shouldn't have acted too surprised when she kept going back to Lester, who was no prize. Probably Ace thought he could change Ginger, but that's just a fool's paradise. And, yes, he probably could have forced Ginger to go to rehab, but I am thinking that she would have just gone back to her old ways.
They were both immoral people. At least Ginger was honest. She was reluctant to marry someone that she did not love. Ace bribed her. He was infatuated with her and not even that great of a husband. He started all that beef with Bosses back home knowing the rules, and very much aware that he had a family at home. He took a risk like he said. That is the way his mind worked. I don't think Ginger was the type of woman used to taking such risks. And I believe Ginger told Ace that in so many words.
Lester was a prick. I agree with you. Who knows what Ginger saw in that lowlife. It's not like she needed him anymore.
Ginger may have asked for a divorce, but as soon as she left Ace, she called him, crying and seemingly remorseful, and the minute she got back, she was cold and unpleasant towards Ace. She did a complete turnaround and I think this was the scene where I really started to hate the character.
Well I felt like Ace had stripped every single thing that made Ginger an independent woman. It's like he took a prized horse and handicapped her. Ace was a jerk okay? He was. He didn't even deserve to be married.
She couldn't divorce him either. She was stuck in that situation and he didn't hold up his end of the bargain until he had completely destroyed Ginger. Then she had to act crazy just to get the hell out of that situation. By then, it was too late for her.
I'm surprised Ace was the sole survivor at the end.
Also, I didn't like what Ginger had become either. I didn't like the way she treated Nicky. Then again, she wasn't in her right mind most of the time.
I just don't find Ginger to be a likable person. She didn't want to help herself.
No, she wasn't a good hearted character at all. She was the bad girl. I liked her up until the time she tied her daughter to the bed. That was the lowest thing a mom can do.
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Hutch — 5 years ago(September 27, 2020 09:40 PM)
Well, if Ace was a jerk, then he was a likable jerk. (At least compared to the other characters in the movie.) And if Ginger
wasn't
a bitch, then I still found her incredibly easy to dislike. Maybe that right there sums up the different places you and I are coming from. You said that you like the Ginger character and apparently you don't like the Ace character. With me, it's just the opposite. And we have both made our cases for our POV.
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Margo — 5 years ago(September 27, 2020 09:46 PM)
Oh I liked all the characters! Lol..every single one. They were maniac psychopaths and anti-socials, but I still liked the all.
That's the thing about Martin Scorsesse movies. He makes even the most destestable disgusting human beings like those mafia guys look cool and likeable. Sometimes even relateable. The good guys are made to be the unlikeable characters like the politicians in Nevada that Ace went after.
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