Ouch!
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WarrenPeace — 3 years ago(October 03, 2022 03:48 PM)
Where is your proof for what you believe were Putin's reasons for invading?
Where is this stuff that says he is a madman crazed with world power domination?
Putin's reasons are a lot more clear or understandable then it was for the US to invade Iraq which was always an obvious lie since we knew the UN inspectors were not finding any WMD.
"If Russia didn't invade then there would have been peace."
You are so ****ing stupid.
Ukraine forces were bombing and killing civilians in the Donbas region, breaking the Minsk agreement so there already was war going on, you dumb ****head.
Stop being in denial of this FACT!
Do you deny that Ukraine broke the Minsk agreement and was bombing and killing civilians?
What else is Russia supposed to do but to feel they have to defend them?
Shouldn't Russia have the right to do that?
You pro war dumb ****s never address that and always find a way to avoid it by keeping your heads shoved up your asses.
No, you are pro war.
If you are not then you would agree that Ukraine surrendering, if not making a peace deal, would be the best thing for them right now.
I don't want Russia in there either while also recognizing that the killing of Donbas civilians was also wrong.
But with Russia there, it will most likely be a prolonged war where the odds favor them being the victor so why not just go ahead and surrender now and get it over with.
What good is it for the dead should their country somehow prevail?
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cryptoflovecraft — 3 years ago(October 03, 2022 01:09 PM)
We didn't start the wars in Syria and Libya. They were already at war and the United States became involved in attempt to prevent atrocities being committed by the other side.
That's debatable. The Arab Spring that brought about "pro-democracy" riots and insurrections (and thousands of deaths) across the region was largely caused by the Iraq war. The US wasted no time in arming and funding the insurrectionists in Syria and Libya (many of whom were al Qaeda and ISIS), hoping to topple secular regimes that were hostile to US and Israeli interests. As an aside, these US/NATO-backed wars in the Middle East and North Africa created a massive refugee crisis with millions of migrants fleeing their war-torn homelands and flooding European cities as a result.
The Afghanistan war wasn't unprovoked. It was a response to 9/11.
And a foolish response it was considering that the Taliban played no role in the 9/11 attacks and had no prior knowledge of the attacks. Osama bin Laden, the alleged mastermind behind the attacks, was hiding out in Pakistan, a US ally, undetected for years. Saudi Arabia's role in 9/11 was far greater than Afghanistan's "role". The Taliban merely provided safe haven for some al Qaeda fighters but didn't actively fund or support the group.
What a waste of twenty years, billions of dollars and thousands of Afghan and American lives - and for what? So the Taliban could eventually retake the country and look like heroes to their people. And in a way they are heroes for driving out the invading Americans. -
WarrenPeace — 3 years ago(October 03, 2022 04:08 PM)
In the excellent Michael Moore documentary, Fahrenheit 9/11 he mentions a motivation for the invasion of Afghanistan is to support the building of a gas pipeline.
I'm not sure what the motive was but I seriously doubt it had to do with 911.
I wouldn't be surprised if it did have to do with energy since number one and two were oil businessmen and will want to make their corporate sponsors happy.
After the attacks and before I started to wonder if it could have been an inside job before seeing those suggestions, one thing I kept hoping the MSM would bring up but they never did was that the alleged master mind behind it, Bin Laden, was CIA trained when he was leader of the Taliban against the Russian invasion.
Trump did make the deal for us leaving Afghanistan, which gets overlooked, and Biden upheld the bargain.
I do not buy into the excuse they were taken by surprise of the take over because they had bad intel.
In any case I'm glad we're out of there.
And now Biden is making thousands or even perhaps millions of the poor ppl of Afghanistan suffer and die from his sanctions.
It's the Iraq sanctions all over again.
Making the ppl suffer and die instead of the leaders.
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