So let me get this straight…
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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
montanalives2 — 11 years ago(January 02, 2015 04:53 PM)
Donovan after hatching a perfect well thought out plan to lure Indiana Jones into a search for his father and than to use Indiana Jones as a decoy to solve the multiple booby traps guarding the Holy Grail is going to take a sip out of a cup Elsa randomly selects out of about a hundred instead of having Indiana taste it first? Why use the guy to solve the traps if your not gonna make him try the Grail seeing the old guard told him the wrong choice would mean instant death? All of a sudden this calculated well thought out man is going to lose common sense? Nice try Spielberg.
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Kruleworld — 11 years ago(January 03, 2015 07:37 PM)
Donovan's plan never went beyond getting Indy to find his father's diary. that's what they were searching for. The Nazis already had Dr Jones, but needed the book.
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Wombstar — 11 years ago(January 04, 2015 06:18 PM)
Indeed it's really stupid, not only that the woman randomly picks it up, holds it at arms length and starts slowly stepping backwards over the threshold. The film was doing alright up until the anti-climax. Not as much sense of adventure in this one.
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bh_tafe3 — 11 years ago(January 08, 2015 12:30 PM)
Probably because he thought whoever drank from the cup would live forever (he would not have known that the power couldn't cross the seal) and didn't want his enemy Indy to receive that gift. No doubt at all he wasn't letting Henry get at it either. He shot the father to motivate Indy to go inside and then was going to let him die. And notice there were mercenaries at the end and no Nazis? He wanted the grail for himself and no one else. Pretty simple.
As for Elsa, there was nothing random about her picking up the grail, she was greedy, thought she had found the greatest prize in all creation and wanted to take it out of the cave, which they were told they couldn't. Again, nothing random, just a greedy person acting dumbly.
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Kruleworld — 11 years ago(January 09, 2015 09:11 PM)
just a greedy person acting dumbly.
people in movies don't follow the advice they are given.
Don't feed it after midnight
don't go into the woods
don't get off the path
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Dark_Phoenix89 — 11 years ago(January 22, 2015 03:44 PM)
Probably because he thought whoever drank from the cup would live forever (he would not have known that the power couldn't cross the seal) and didn't want his enemy Indy to receive that gift. No doubt at all he wasn't letting Henry get at it either. He shot the father to motivate Indy to go inside and then was going to let him die. And notice there were mercenaries at the end and no Nazis? He wanted the grail for himself and no one else. Pretty simple.
As for Elsa, there was nothing random about her picking up the grail, she was greedy, thought she had found the greatest prize in all creation and wanted to take it out of the cave, which they were told they couldn't. Again, nothing random, just a greedy person acting dumbly.
^^ Second this; Couldn't have summed it up better
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mam13143 — 11 years ago(January 22, 2015 02:31 PM)
I don't think he would have let Indy drink first and live forever. But as I watched it again she purposely picked poorly because she tells Indy after Donovan dies that it wouldn't be made of gold. Indy's selection of a cup hand made was a wise selection.
Interestingly, Donovan says at the beginning to Indy that there are two markers to locate the Grail, one was the tablet and the other was with the last knight. They seem to forget that point entirely. -
Kruleworld — 10 years ago(October 08, 2015 12:49 AM)
Interestingly, Donovan says at the beginning to Indy that there are two markers to locate the Grail, one was the tablet and the other was with the last knight. They seem to forget that point entirely.
Donovan already had the tablet, and they found the knight under the library.
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Karl Aksel — 10 years ago(August 07, 2015 04:48 AM)
Why would Donovan risk giving his arch nemesis (Jones) eternal life??
What if Indy did try the holy water out of the correct grail? He'd live forever! Donovan would be toast.
How would that make Donovan toast? It's not like Indy would then have super powers or anything. The eternal life implied by the grail was never more than an anti-agapic: supposedly "the gift of youth" (as Donovan describes it at one point), and never ageing. This doesn't mean that you can't be killed. And indeed, Donovan knows that one sip won't suffice: the one knight who made it out of the desert died of extreme old age, suggesting he had drunk from the cup but he did die. -
dmoney32 — 10 years ago(July 06, 2015 12:16 PM)
First, lets stop saying "live forever". You do not live forever after taking a sip from the cup. In order to really keep living, you have to actually stay in the temple and continually drink from the cup, like the knight did.
And yes I agree, it was very stupid of Donovan to take the first sip himself. He should've had Indy take a sip first and see what happens, or he could've told Elsa to drink from it first. -
TwoMushrooms — 10 years ago(September 11, 2015 04:39 AM)
A) See, nobody at that point, actually knew that the grails longevity effect wears off if you exit the temple. They believed drinking from the grail grants immortality, period. As such, Donovan did not want Indy to receive this gift.
B) As he saw the cup Elsa had chosen, Don instantly believed it to be the right one, because she was the expert, and because that cup was the most glorious and magnificent one. He didn't doubt at all he had the right one.
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