Miguel was gay.
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LeeVing88 — 11 years ago(April 10, 2014 06:14 PM)
I used to think maybe the actor was gay or a least came off as a little fruity, but it makes sense that the character is gay. Of course Rhodes and the soldiers clown on Sarah for not letting them "get a shot at some lovin", but think about it. They're the only gay man and only woman in a group of over a dozen or so guys (mostly military) during a zombie apocalypseIt was in there best interest to band together and sell themselves as a couple. I've watched Day of The Dead countless times ever since I first picked up a VHS copy from Suncoast Video in the mid-nineties and this had never occurred to me till just last week.
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projectcyclops — 11 years ago(April 10, 2014 08:23 PM)
Interesting theory, but I disagree.
First of all, when they went down there they didn't know how long the zombie problem was going to last. Why bother with that kind of charade if they're only going to be stationed there for a few months or even weeks?
Secondly, the character isn't camp or effete, he's "collapsing from stress". He's losing his mind and hence becoming weak and ineffective (not that this makes him appear gay, but I assume that's part of the argument). I can't see that he exhibits any signs of being gay or bisexual. Admittedly he and Sarah don't have any 'romantic' scenes, and the nature of their relationship isn't explored in any detail, but she obviously cares about him enough to try and convince the others to give him some down-time. Their argument when she tries to sedate him does provide signs that they're a 'real' couple who are suffering though a break-down (which is understandable given their bleak situation).
Thirdly, Miguel kisses and hugs her after slapping her. (A mixed message I admit, but it would be very strange behavior if she were simply his 'beard'.)
Lastly, Sarah sticks with Miguel right to the end. She chops off his arm and cauterizes the wound, then takes care of him even as he's going totally nuts. That's more than casual friends pretending to be lovers would do for one another.
I also suspect that if Romero had intended this it would have come out in interviews by now. He's gone over all the films so often and discussed all the little nuances that he'd have been bound to have mentioned it. "Oh, yeah, also Miguel was gay. What, nobody spotted that?"
Personally I've always wondered if Rickles was Steel's bitch, given how upset Steel becomes when Miguel almost gets him killed. (Also Rickes' obvious delight at Steel boasting about the size of his dick the man practically has an orgasm right there.)
He left a note. He left a simple little note that said "I've gone out the window." -
LeeVing88 — 11 years ago(April 11, 2014 09:47 AM)
First off, thanks for the reply cyclops, But I'm gonna stick my guns on this one.
I'm sure even in the beginning of the operation they knew they would be in it for the long haul. People were coming back from the dead and eating the world. If they knew they were going to be stuck in a cramped missile silo with army guys for any amount of timecharade it up.
Their argument when she tries to sedate him does provide signs that they're a 'real' couple who are suffering though a break-down (which is understandable given their bleak situation).
What it shows us is that they definitely had a relationshipthat relationship to me when seem to be nothing more than a strained friendship. You can be sure that Sarah does care for Miguel, hell, they've been isolated in cave with each other for YEARS, wouldn't you try to save your friend from succumbing to a zombie bite? There's just no evidence that they have a sexual relationship at all. IMOIts a cover. -
projectcyclops — 11 years ago(April 11, 2014 12:03 PM)
that relationship to me when seem to be nothing more than a strained friendship.
Why does he kiss her, then?
I think the points I raised still stand. Miguel doesn't come off as gay. I mean if you think about it, Fisher (the scientist played by John Amplas) actually appears more 'gay' than Miguel; showing concern for Sarah's safety without a hint of romantic motivation. He's the ultimate gay best friend. Miguel is a stooge for not admitting he needed help and accepting that Sarah was right, but he's not gay.
There's just no evidence that they have a sexual relationship at all.
Is is necessary to have evidence of sexual relations in order to believe that two characters are romantically involved? Given the situation (Miguel has lost his mind, the world has ended) wouldn't sex and flirting be the last thing on either of their minds?
I also can't see any reason they would have thought their time in the bunker would last years, and I don't think they've been down there for years already when the film takes place. The line, "It's going to be a long winter," always suggested to me that this would be their
first
winter in the cave (as opposed to, say, "It's going to be
another
long winter," or "The winters down here last a long time.").
Plus, given how quickly things fell apart I suspect they've only been down there for a few months - if it had been years, the civilian team and the military would have had to have been operating in some kind of harmony which was clearly absent from the beginning, or at least have established a long term plan of action (again, absent). Far too many issues are brought up during conversations which would have been addressed a long time ago if they had been in there for years (ie, how many survivors left and where? Are the soldiers getting paid? How are they approaching the zombie problem?).
For my money the only obviously gay person in the cave was Rickles, who was madly in love with Steel. Steel was possibly secretly in love with Rhodes, and using Rickles as an outlet for his sexual frustration, but I have to admit that's pretty far-fetched. The rest of the military guys were too stoned to care about sex. We all know what Logan got up to, of course
and I think Fisher was just a nice, normal guy, whose mind was on his work.
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LeeVing88 — 11 years ago(April 11, 2014 05:05 PM)
Why does he kiss her, then?
They were probably each others only confidante for months and a kiss isn't inherently sexual. I've kissed my mother before and can assure you no funny business was going on.
Is is necessary to have evidence of sexual relations in order to believe that two characters are romantically involved?
Certainly not. In fact, I'm thinking the lack of evidence was by design.
I also can't see any reason they would have thought their time in the bunker would last years, and I don't think they've been down there for years already when the film takes place.
They were facing the extinction of humanity, I'd bet smart money that it wasn't going to be a brief mission. As far as how much time has past when we meet the characters I would have to think they've been down there at least over six months given that a.) 1/3 of the team is already dead b.) The level of insanity Logan, Rickles and Steele have devolved to and what little "give a beep" any of the others have left. "Years" may have been an exaggeration but they're clearly more than a little stir crazy.
I must commend your attitude. We may disagree but you have class. I get tired of the "my opinion is the only opinion" attitude some people have on IMDB. -
projectcyclops — 11 years ago(April 12, 2014 10:38 AM)
I suspect some of the points we're arguing on might have hit a roadblock simply due to difference in opinion, but I'll give a shot on another reply
I don't think the kiss thing can be ignored, and it's kind of the deal-breaker for me. It's my view that Miguel was, at that moment, feebly trying to rekindle something of what they had during their first early few weeks/months of being together. It's possible that, if they were in a platonic 'charade' relationship, he might have casually kissed Sarah on the lips sometimes as a friendly gesture, but it doesn't seem likely that he'd do that
at that moment.
To me it's more indicative of someone who knows their romantic relationship is basically over, and is making one last effort to rekindle things. Miguel knows that he and Sarah won't ever save their love, so he's kissing her in that "please take me back! I'm so sorry!" kind of way.
I also don't think Romero is the kind of writer who suggests
anything
by omission (I say that with the greatest respect). In fact many of Romero's strongest themes have come about by accident; think of the casting of Duane Jones in 'Night', which Romero hadn't intended as a comment on racial prejudice, but became one of the most significant elements of NOTLD. Even in 'Day' Romero hadn't thought about animal cruelty and vivisection when writing the script, but many people have picked up on this as being an important theme of the film.
Romero also tends to shy away from gay characters. When he does use them, he tends to employ the jackhammer approach - such as the two lesbians seen kissing before being brutally killed in 'Land' or the frankly bizarre decision in 'Survival' to introduce the lesbian Tomboy by having her masturbating in front of a group of soldiers. To think Romero would be subtle enough to consider a very nuanced relationship between a gay man and straight woman, employed to protect them from outsiders, is perhaps giving the man too much credit. I love Romero to pieces (heh), but he's not that kind of writer.
I do agree that around six months is a good guess for how long they've been down there, but that only serves to strengthen my argument for why they would bother cultivating such a charade in such a relatively short space of time. During their first couple of weeks down there, they would
not
have known how long it would last. I think they probably did fall for one another early on and start 'dating' in a real way, assuming the zombie problem would eventually be solved and they could keep seeing each other when everything was back to normal. That they would meet and then immediately decide to form a fake relationship when they had no idea whether it would be weeks, months or years, just seems way too far fetched.
I actually agree with you that it would be a great idea, and I think it's a cool theory. But there's just no strong evidence to suggest that it's true. To me, Miguel doesn't seem gay at all, just a 'normal' (ie, not super tough) guy who's become anxious through stress.
Lastly, I think if Miguel can be seen to be gay, so can Fisher, Rickles, Steel, Rhodes and Frankenstein (all displaying slightly homoerotic tendencies during individual moments of the film) and you can't reasonably argue that Romero intended us to speculate on the sexuality of all (or even any!) of his characters. With Romero, what you see is almost always what you get.
PS: You're very welcome for the replies. It's always fun to chat about the little things in the 'Dead' films, and it just shows how damn well they still hold up after all these years.
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leightoncollins — 11 years ago(July 16, 2014 12:25 AM)
Don't think rickles is gay. He's still wearing his wedding ring for starters, which I've always liked as it shows he's still in touch with the pre zombie life.
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swolleneyebags — 11 years ago(April 29, 2014 05:15 PM)
I always felt the complete opposite about Miguel, in the sense that he was a family man and, unlike the soldiers, possibly had a young family on the outside. I'm sure you see a wedding ring on his finger at one point?! Perhaps it was the idea that he was never going to see his family again, or the prospect that his kids and wife had been killed, just tore him apart. Add to this the guilt factor - he was having a relationship with someone that was not his wife and this made things even more confusing and heartbreaking for him. He was a religious man with morals who wanted to end his life to break the misery and be with his family. What I have difficulty with is why he chose to take the lives of the others with him? Especially the life of Sarah - who genuinely cared for him?! Perhaps he watched from a distance what Rhodes had done to the others before realising he would be next and deciding to finally kill himself?
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Balthazar Bee — 11 years ago(May 16, 2014 11:24 AM)
I used to think maybe the actor was gay or a least came off as a little fruity, but it makes sense that the character is gay.
No offense to the fellow playing Miguel, or to gay folk in general, but Miguel's performance has long been a source of humour in our household. His behaviour is almost uniformly "screaming queen". Every line is delivered in such an over-the-top, campy fashion that it's difficult to take his character seriously.
I love the movie, and I wouldn't want to see the role recast, but come on:
"Everyone'scollapsingthiswholeunit'scollapsingeverybodyexceptyou." He just snarls it at her in such a catty fashion.
"You are afraid. You're full of sht, Sarah, you know that? I'm through with you." Again, catty and dismissive, while he's lying in
her
bed and she's on the floor! Then she yells at him and he dramatically grabs his stuff and storms off.
He slaps her, then bursts into tears while she's stone-faced. Then: "You bitch!"
I have to think this was intended to be some kind of brilliant role-reversal, with the strong woman and the weak man but GAR and the actor playing Miguel might've taken it a wee bit too far. -
suicidea — 11 years ago(May 19, 2014 04:39 AM)
Keep in mind that the character hasn't slept for days, and is already stressed out to the limit. He's also very aware of the seriousess of the situation, he's not like the morons who keep making jokes.
Too much stress + sleep deprivation + zombies waiting to eat you up. I wonder how you would react? (I don't mean you personally, I mean anyone)
Actually, for most of the young people today, that's not necessary. Just take their smart phones for a couple of hours, and see how they come off with catty outbursts and wanting to kill everyone in the world.
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Minus_The_Beer — 10 years ago(October 11, 2015 01:14 PM)
I have to think this was intended to be some kind of brilliant role-reversal, with the strong woman and the weak man but GAR and the actor playing Miguel might've taken it a wee bit too far.
My thoughts exactly. Perhaps the actor didn't quite know how to play it correctly and it just came across as "gay"?
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Rolling-action — 11 years ago(June 01, 2014 06:50 AM)
Romero never jackhammered the gay relationship in KNIGHT RIDERS
I have watched Day a bunch of times and never thought Miguel was gay; just emotionally shot. In the opening scene he just bolts while Sarah watches the city zombies. -
dinerfood-901-211557 — 11 years ago(July 22, 2014 02:36 PM)
Not gay, he's Hispanic and Catholic in an obviously white cracker Florida military subculture. Romero did this on purpose. Diverse individuals learn to live together surviving, that thing. To his unraveling mind, Sarah has come to represent science gone mad, which she figures out later.
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austingranger — 11 years ago(August 17, 2014 02:27 PM)
Hogwash.
Romero isn't Joel and Ethan Coen.
Miguel may be effiminate when compared with the other deranged monkeys in his unit, but Cyclops makes good points about Rickles and Steele.
That being said, perhaps there was a benefit for Sarah using Miguel to get some muscle on her side and would give herself to Miguel to keep him sated. When she began to pity him so much that she couldn't even look on him except as an object of pity, then Miguel would have seen this and so fell into even deeper despair. Such is the way of a lot of relationships.
To be fair, you make a good point about mutual benefitting, but usually bearded relationships are to propel someone along in a liveable world. This is a nightmare one where people are hanging by a thread.