How About a "Reverse" Final Countdown?
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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — The Final Countdown
ronaldt49 — 10 years ago(January 23, 2016 11:54 AM)
Instead of American Carrier Nimitz finding itself in 1941 let's have Japanese Carrier(s) go through same storm(?) and find themselves at 1980 Pearl Harbor.
- Since Dec. 7, 1941 did not occur now, at least not as originally reported, what would be seen at Pearl?
- Would Japanese forces still attack even though what they saw at Pearl when they got there wasn't what they were expecting? I'm assuming that by 1980 the ships originally destroyed at Pearl would have been retired.
- Did WW II happen perhaps at a later date?
- Did a Japanese officer learn things that helped his lot in life when he got back to 1941, assuming he did get back? Did he pick up information that helped a later attack on PH succeed?
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kurt-2000 — 9 years ago(July 02, 2016 09:04 PM)
let's have Japanese Carrier(s) go through same storm(?) and find themselves at 1980 Pearl Harbor.
The Navy can now track any ship at sea, and ships would have been immediately detected. And yes, WWII with Japan would've happened anyway. -
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CGSailor — 9 years ago(July 05, 2016 12:12 PM)
Yes we have sensors that can cover almost the whole ocean.
But the information from them is buried in a a literal ocean of data. It is more of an ability to go back after the fact and find where something came.from, than it is a real-time detection and tracking.
SOSUS has been shut down and/or converted to pure oceanographic research for a couple of decades now. Even when SOSUS was ooerating Mikitarily It was just a tripwire. Not so much detection and tracking as it is an alert to inform where to send additional assets to actually detect, track, and potentially prosecute a target.
And satellites. Despite our satellite sensor technology and photographic abilities, the oceans are MASSIVE. And ships move.
Its one thing to search for fixed landbased site.
Its another thing to systematically cover entire oceans.
You may be basing your statements off some propagandistically exaggerated statement of some admiral.
I'm going off reality.
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kurt-2000 — 9 years ago(July 05, 2016 09:23 PM)
Yes we have sensors that can cover almost the whole ocean.
HARP. Which is killing sea mammals too.
You may be basing your statements off some propagandistically exaggerated statement of some admiral.
I'm going off reality.
In my country it's called perjury if your co-workers who wear stars on the collars give false testimony in House and Senate committee meetings. And yes, I do watch Senate Armed Services Committee meetings and House Armed Services committee meetings on C-Span. And the Admirals have testified they can track ships approaching American waters, or regions around the world that included "American interests".
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CGSailor — 9 years ago(July 05, 2016 10:09 PM)
HARP. Which is killing sea mammals too.
What lame-brained conspiracy BS are you going off about now?
In my country it's called perjury if your co-workers who wear stars on the collars give false testimony in House and Senate committee meetings. And yes, I do watch Senate Armed Services Committee meetings and House Armed Services committee meetings on C-Span. And the Admirals have testified they can track ships approaching American waters, or regions around the world that included "American interests".
So either you're not privy to all classified information (imagine that), or perhaps you're an admiral?
You don't even realise the paradox of your statement, do you?
ROFLMAO!
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kurt-2000 — 9 years ago(July 07, 2016 02:51 AM)
What lame-brained conspiracy BS are you going off about now?
So there is no such thing as HARP, or now you're an expert on marine life? Next week you'll be an astronaut?
You don't even realise the paradox of your statement, do you?
So you contradict the Joint Chiefs and end by giggling like a girl. -
CGSailor — 9 years ago(July 07, 2016 03:32 AM)
Ok.. explain to me what is HARP and how is it killing Sea Mammals.
Googling, I find nothing under "HARP killing sea mammals.
I think you may be referring to HAARP, not HARP.
If I google HAARP killing sea mammals I get a freaking ton of hits.
Every last one of them from moronic and idiotc sites ran by conspiracy dumbasses. The same sort that believe in Chemtrails over Contrails, Alien visitations, 9/11 was done by our own government, and other such total bullsh!t.
Please tell me you are not one of "those people".
The Irony you fail to get in your last part is that you claim your info is correct and mine is not, citing that I am not privy to classified material, then cite your own source being a PUBLIC HEARING BEING BROADCAST OVER A PUBLIC ACCESS TV CHANNEL!!! which for sure as hell is NOT classified material.
And an FYI. I HAVE been privy to classified information(Not that I would ever divulge such information to you or anyone else publically)
I doubt you can legitimately make the same claim.
My job in the US Navy required a SECRET level clearance.
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kurt-2000 — 9 years ago(July 07, 2016 05:01 AM)
You may be basing your statements off some propagandistically exaggerated statement of some admiral.
wow
just wow.
Googling, I find nothing under "HARP killing sea mammals.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/does-military-sonar-kill/
So according to you, HARP has zero impact on marine life? Spoken like a true navy hack.
Oh of course HARP is harmless. Simply because the sailor says so.
I suggest you google the reality of just how sensitive marine mammal hearing is, and how biologists have tested how marine animals react to even moderate high sounds underwater. Start there and work you way into the research.
But regardlessnavy people will still be in denial anyway.
PUBLIC HEARING BEING BROADCAST OVER A PUBLIC ACCESS TV CHANNEL!!! which for sure as hell is NOT classified material.
No classified information was broadcast. HereI'll type it again.., Your admirals claim no "threatening" ships could get near American shores or in range of American international interests without detection. It's their claim. No classified info was asked for or provided in committee sessions.
Chemtrails done by our own government, and other such total bullsh!t.
Please tell me you are not one of "those people".
You might want to read this week's news. lol geez
(Not that I would ever divulge such information to you or anyone else publically)
I would never ask for the sicking truth regarding military secrets.
I doubt you can legitimately make the same claim.
Are you suggesting that military personnel testimony in Senate and House committee meetings is meaningless?
"You may be basing your statements off some propagandistically exaggerated statement of some admiral." Yeseven "trolls read your comments from previous posts.
My job in the US Navy required a SECRET level clearance.
Translation: 'I know everything.'
Got it.
Alien visitations and other such total bullsh!t.
Please tell me you are not one of "those people".
You just claimed this planet has never been visited by a civilization from another planet. You have zero proof to back that up sailor, yet claim unfounded claims are purely my problem and not yours. So the Navy and/or your Bible told you the human race has never had an alien visitation.
Got it.
"(Not that I would ever divulge such information to you or anyone else publically)"
So thenif the Navy was aware of extraterrestrial visits, you would tell us? lol
Not likely your admirals would either.
translation: You have a monopoly on information, and claim to be trustworthy. Funny stuff sailor.
I have a healthy amount of skeptical opinion about alien visits as well. But I don't call people crackpots for investigating. Because I trust your navy and federal government about as far as I can throw it.
Maybe you should check the public opinion polls on American trust for their own government next time. Google that issue.
By the waylets say aliens don't exist. Which could be the case, most certainly. Do you have any conception of how badly your navy and Defense Department have handled numerous controversies regarding this subject?
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CGSailor — 9 years ago(July 07, 2016 05:30 AM)
Googling, I find nothing under "HARP killing sea mammals.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/does-military-sonar-kill/
So according to you, HARP has zero impact on marine life? Spoken like a true navy hack.
Oh of course HARP is harmless. Simply because the sailor says so.
Your article has nothing to do with whatever the hell your so-called HARP is.
It has to do with the impact of active sonar on sea life.
Yes.. active sonar can kill.
I would never claim otherwise.
I am asking you again WTF is HARP? and how does it kill sea mammals?
You are such a fraking moron you don't even know wtf you're talking about when you say HARP.
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kurt-2000 — 9 years ago(July 07, 2016 02:27 PM)
Sonar "can kill", but you don't believe HAARP can. lol
At least I got the sailor to admit to that.
http://www.zengardner.com/haarp-continues-to-murder-sea-life/
Cold day in hell before I'll believe the Navy jackasses.
Did you type fraking or mean fracking for our next topic you'll go into denial over.
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CGSailor — 9 years ago(July 07, 2016 08:04 PM)
LMAO at your moronic link.
Thanks for proving my case.
That link proves nothing other than idiots post crap to the internet and other even dumber idiots believe them.
There is no evidence that HAARP cause those die offs. The bodies of the dolphins were "scorched" because they were sitting out in the sun for hours, their death was from being beached, not some mysterious heat ray.
The so called HAARP funnel is nothing more than an unrelated waterspout.
You, Sir are a gullible moron.
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kurt-2000 — 9 years ago(July 08, 2016 07:11 AM)
There is no evidence that HAARP cause those die offs. The bodies of the dolphins were "scorched" because they were sitting out in the sun for hours, their death was from being beached, not some mysterious heat ray.
HAARP drove sea mammals to the beach, and the sun did the rest. Very good sailor. We'll keep working at it.
Amazing that you confessed that sonar kills.
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CGSailor — 9 years ago(July 07, 2016 08:12 PM)
The fact of the matter is that it is physically impossible for HAARP to do what you morons claim it is doing.
Your claims are science FICTION. HAARP isnt some tesla earthquake weapon or death ray.
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kurt-2000 — 9 years ago(July 08, 2016 07:13 AM)
Actually extreme sound to attempt to detect and track Soviet subs or other potential enemies.
Actually there are some good books on the subject that can be easily ordered, but every word is considered controversial by you Navy buddies the admirals, who deny that intense sound can kill sea mammals and drive them to the beaches.
Even I question the earthquake jazz, but that doesn't stop me from questioning HAARP's impact on nature. -
CGSailor — 9 years ago(July 08, 2016 07:37 AM)
Hey dumb sh!t how about you keep your arguments straight.
You are all over the place. I suspect you may even be drunk, as little sense your logic is making, you must have some sort of impaired mental facilities.
I said and agreed that active sonar can harm animals. That is a given.
I am not arguing against that, you your dumb ass keeps going back to it as though I am denying it.
STFU already.
You made the claim that HARP (actually it is HAARP) was doing so.
HAARP is not active sonar you moron.
The very link YOU provided was a conspiracy moron ranting that HAARP was killing animals.
No It's not!
The moron at the link was taking images of different things and assigning his own totally bullsh!t explanation for them that has no basis in facts.
He claims that the HAARP weapon was scorching animals and killing them.
The images was of Dolphins that beached themselves and had died, and whose bodies was then decomposing and baking under a hot summer sun. Not scorched by some mythical super weapon from science fiction
He then talks about the HAARP effect funnel. No such thing. The image he shows is a completely unrelated image of a normal WATERSPOUT!
Can you keep your damned arguments srraight and coherent? Maybe sober up before drunk posting again.
Stop Strawmanning me.
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CGSailor — 9 years ago(July 08, 2016 07:42 AM)
Even I question the earthquake jazz, but that doesn't stop me from questioning HAARP's impact on nature.
Some actual intelligence and a little knowledge in the actual subject matter would.
I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!