Ending
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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — New York, New York
prideandpredj — 20 years ago(June 26, 2005 05:27 PM)
I saw this movie for the first time today and was confused by the ending. Did Francine not realize Jimmy was on the street because she couldn't see him or did she just decide not to meet with him after all?
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Red7Eric — 19 years ago(April 28, 2006 10:24 PM)
I suppose it was meant to be ambiguous, but I prefer to believe that she knew he was out there and chose not to go which was a smart decision; they could have been happy so long as he was successful and she less so than he and that's no way for two musicians to live.
Cheers, all.
EP in DC
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Michaelnlori — 20 years ago(July 11, 2005 06:24 AM)
I've got a question regarding a scene in the film near the ending. It comes in the middle of the "Happy Endings" number when Liza is being introduced as the "toast of Broadway"-isn't the elderly gentleman that introduces her Jack Haley, Sr.? It sure looks like him, but he isn't mentioned in the credits and I can't find his name connected with the film anywhere. I listened to the director commentary on the DVD with this scene but Scorcese is talking about somthing else while the scene is on. It would make sense in that Jack was Lizas' father in law at the time and the whole Jack Haley -Judy Garland connection. Does anyone know anything about this?
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FroggiesSpawn — 20 years ago(September 14, 2005 10:13 AM)
SCORSESE EXPLAINED IN AN INTERVIEW IN LONDON A FEW YEARS BACK THAT THE INTENTION WAS TO SHOW THAT BOTH CHARACTERS DECIDED THAT YOU CAN'T GO BACK AND THAT THEY BOTH COULD NOT GO THROUGH THE PAIN AGAIN. SO HE SAID THAT BOTH CHARACTERS DECIDED NOT TO PURSUE THE RELATIONSHIP. SO NEITHER WON OR LOST.
HAVING ONLY SEEN THE FILM A WEEK AGO ON DVD, I THINK I, AND THE REST OF YOU WHO SAT THROUGH IT TO THE ENDING, DESERVE A MEDAL. IT IS TEDIOUS IN MY VIEW. -
jtg2881-2 — 19 years ago(May 29, 2006 07:05 AM)
But watching the deleted alternate scenes in the dvd it is clear that: 1- the scene was filmed with Francine and Jimmy leaving together as an alternative or 2- it was decided in the editing that Francine hesitates to meet Jimmy and start all over again and she goes back in the elevator. What an amazing flawed masterpiece this film is.
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uncleernie1973 — 19 years ago(October 01, 2006 06:29 PM)
I was shocked they filmed the alternate "Happy"ending. I guess I like showing them laughing and together. But in reality it does not work like that. Scorsese said that they both reconsidered. There was no mix up. Francine did not want to go out of the door, and Jimmy realised that it would not be a good thing. They both had a change of heart, and yet, they are both at the point they wanted to be at, they are both successful now, Jimmy a successful Jazz Musician, and club owner, and Francine a very successful entertainer. Very bittersweet.
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gazbomb — 19 years ago(January 24, 2007 09:46 AM)
and your take is the correct one
This was their story her struggle for commercial sucess and his struggle for artistic recognition, neither would compromise fully.
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artihcus022 — 18 years ago(February 29, 2008 09:04 PM)
"Neither of them (Jimmy or Francine, that is) ever really got to know each other."
I don't think it was an issue about misunderstanding. In fact the film is about the fact that they understand each other very well. Especially in that wonderful scene in the hospital where DeNiro says goodbye to her and walks out on them.
"Don't teach your grandmother to suck eggs."Nathanael West
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vc2020 — 18 years ago(June 06, 2007 12:42 AM)
The exit sign says it all. It would've been an exit from everything she has now as she was only able to achieve it free from him and the same goes for him. They were both creative people who just couldn't help but hold each other back. But together they share their child and the song "New York, New York".
I really love how the movie bookended with us seeing Jimmy's feet and having the camera pan up to reveal Jimmy and then having the opposite of it as he walks away. A brilliant film. -
rtms1988 — 17 years ago(October 25, 2008 11:08 PM)
They're a couple of crank. They really can't keep a relationship together.
I don't know but I think they'll really kill each other, their minds aren't harmonious.
Roberta
"The camera lies all the time; lies 24 times/second." -
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Milevskiy — 17 years ago(February 07, 2009 07:30 PM)
George Lucas advised Marty to give it an happy ending. He told him the film would gross at least 10 million dollars more that way. Needless to say Marty didn't go for it. After all, he's not the happy ending kind of guy.