Unacceptable to the AHA
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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — The Missouri Breaks
tjantus — 19 years ago(February 07, 2007 01:11 AM)
I've always enjoyed this movieone of my favorite Westernsbut I've just read in the trivia about how the reckless film making caused the death and injuries to some of the horses, and that leaches a good deal of the pleasure out of it for me.
By the time this movie was in production, major film studios had to know that that kind of treatment of animals was unnecessary and uncalled for. It's bad enough when production companies put animals in harms way out of ignorance or financial constraint; that's not an excuse, but at least it's understandable. But these people knew better and could afford to do things otherwise and chose to destroy creatures when it could have been done another way. -
reiver7 — 18 years ago(May 30, 2007 03:13 PM)
Yeah it is so shameful and detracts from a great piece.
Just saw the movie again last night after about 25 years and some questions came to mind, like "Did that horse get hurt? Because it sure looked real." and "Did they really kill a rabbit for this movie? because it looked AND sounded real."
It is hard to forgive the folks involved, all of them, when we know they not only knew better but that the sensibilities of the times should have permeated decisions about these type of actions. Those sensibilities certainly permeated the filmwhich is still an extraordinary piece of writing, acting, and cinema.
Oh welltoo bad the film must always carry the very valid approbation of the AHA. It is at least a significant and shameful lesson. -
peterjudson — 18 years ago(June 21, 2007 08:21 AM)
Glad yll haven't seen any of the Mondo Cane films! I eat meat, I hunt and I have gone to cockfights (about to made illegal in my home state of LA, which may explain my primtive response here anyway). This sort of stuff doesn't bother me. Or rather it does bother me. That's a good thing. It humanizes us again to the suffering of the world around us. People eat bunnies and horses, how did they get on the plate? Show me. I need to know. Or maybe I should go kill them myself? Nawdon't like the meat. These images make us feel again. Yes, they are horrible, but that horse, that rabbit died/was maimed for US. Respect the sacrafice.
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le_chiffre-1 — 15 years ago(April 08, 2010 09:16 PM)
"Did they really kill a rabbit for this movie? because it looked AND sounded real."
Who cares? I can buy rabbit any day of the week from my local butcher. Rabbits are pests which don't deserve to live.
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klebermann — 18 years ago(November 16, 2007 12:42 AM)
Don't be so hypocritical, folks. Too much killing and torture goes unnoticed in the world against humans for us to be observant about some animals dying. We are always going to exploit animals and plants. A few animals slaughtered for some pointless old movie don't count much in the equation.
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tjantus — 18 years ago(November 16, 2007 02:52 AM)
I don't really think it's hypocrisy to object to animals being needlessly injured or harmed simply for cinematic entertainment. I eat meat, and I think the movie "La Caza" is a masterpiece, even though many rabbits were cruelly slaughtered making it. That was still morally wrong, but it was essential to the message of the movie, which was not particularly enjoyable. I don't think it was supposed to be. Even in the movie "The Wild Bunch" care was taken to avoid injury to the horses.
The cruelty that we perpetrate on our fellow humans is disgusting, proof that man is the most vicious creature on earth; the cruelty we perpetrate on defenseless animals simply makes that more apparant. But if we can find ways to avoid treating animals badly when possible, that's one step closer to "humanizing" ourselves -
gambit61-1 — 18 years ago(December 20, 2007 07:38 PM)
A horse can kill a man just by kicking. How is it defenseless? People who hold animal rights higher than human rights make me sick. If you are too busy worrying about an animal than a human, you no longer have rights. You lost them. They're gone. Yeah, it sucks that animals had to die to make the film. Accidents happen. HUMANS have died making films, too. Brandon Lee is one. So you know what? Bite me. Most animals are not defenseless. So shut up. God, I hate people
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tjantus — 18 years ago(December 20, 2007 10:59 PM)
Accidents don't just happen, and with care and attention to detail they don't. Brandon Lee's death was a horrible tragedy, and an accident that should never have happened. More careless, needless loss because people were in too much of a hurry.
When a film's budget takes precedence over the safety and rights of the cast and crewanimal OR humanthen something is very wrong with the values and professionalism of the production company.
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BenGrimms_Thing — 16 years ago(June 24, 2009 09:15 PM)
Those of us that love animals are lily livers, yet I could absolutely watch you quiver on film with a broken neck for hours. It would be a sobering comment on man's arrogance regarding his place in the universe, very much art.
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veryape — 16 years ago(February 05, 2010 09:48 PM)
You see, this is what happens when you lack education or exposure to real life.
I hate those crazy douchebags that go out of their way to criticize people for eating meat or even say idiotic things like they'd rather humans died instead of animals ( well, in some cases its warranted
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veryape — 16 years ago(March 10, 2010 12:55 AM)
That is just stupid, what you saidmind boggingly, stupid
Is that couch going to get thrown out after the movie is done? Is that how they do it?
"Okay, thats a wrap! Now lets throw out all those leather couches!!!"
You really should stop and think before you post. In fact, you should typeread, REREAD, then PREVIEWTHEN perhaps after reading it at least 2 more timesTHEN, and ONLY THENshould you think about PERHAPS, MAYBE imagine seeing yourself THINKING about clicking the POST button
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le_chiffre-1 — 15 years ago(April 08, 2010 09:29 PM)
"Is that couch going to get thrown out after the movie is done? Is that how they do it?"
Don't worry about it. I'm sure they send the horses to the glue factory to be recycled afterwards. Doesn't get much greener than that. -
theAssassinator — 15 years ago(May 04, 2010 02:40 PM)
Is that couch going to get thrown out after the movie is done? Is that how they do it?
"Okay, thats a wrap! Now lets throw out all those leather couches!!!"
Of course they're not thrown out they're then used to determine which actress is best suited for later roles. But following you're lack of logic, I agree with you, as long as the horses weren't thrown away after their untimely deaths, it's acceptable!
Maybe you're right, maybe I should check my gut 15 times before posting
then again, I'm not the one whining about the treatment of animals in a 30 year old movie.