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    Jessica_Rabbit69 — 10 years ago(August 29, 2015 11:33 AM)

    "NIPO, Noir In Plot Only."
    On an unrelated note to the film I like that phrase which of course describes Neo-Noir best.
    Jessica Rabbit
    "I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."

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      mgtbltp — 10 years ago(August 30, 2015 02:59 PM)

      "NIPO, Noir In Plot Only."
      On an unrelated note to the film I like that phrase which of course describes Neo-Noir best.
      Well Jess, I'm very visually oriented the so called Neo Noir would have to be extremely twisted to off set it's lack of Noir stylistics. That said these below are either nicely visually styled and twisted, or extremely twisted in a good enough way to make my list.
      .
      The
      True
      NEO-NOIR LIST (a chronological film list (a work in progress) I just added
      Blink
      (1994))
      Blast Of Silence (1961)
      Underworld USA (1961)
      Something Wild (1961)
      Cape Fear (1962)
      Experiment In Terror (1962)
      Satan in High Heels (1962)
      The Manchurian Candidate (1962)
      Shock Corridor (1962)
      Requiem for a Heavyweight (1962)
      The Naked Kiss (1964)
      The Pawnbroker (1964)
      Brainstorm (1965)
      Once A Thief (1965)
      Harper (1966)
      Mr. Buddwing (1966)
      In Cold Blood (1967)
      In The Heat Of The Night (1967)
      Marlowe (1969)
      The Honeymoon Killers (1970)
      Shaft (1971)
      Across 110th Street (1971)
      The Getaway (1971)
      Get Carter (1971)
      Hickey & Boggs (1972)
      Bring Me The Head Of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
      The Nickel Ride (1974)
      The Drowning Pool (1975)
      Farewell My Lovely (1975)
      Night Moves (1975)
      Taxi Driver (1976)
      Dressed to Kill (1980)
      Union City (1980)
      Body Heat (1981)
      Thief (1981)
      Blade Runner (1982)
      Hammett (1982)
      Blood Simple (1984)
      To Live and Die in L.A. (1985)
      Blue Velvet (1986)
      Angel Heart (1987)
      Frantic (1988)
      Kill Me Again (1989)
      The Grifters (1990)
      The Kill-Off (1990)
      The Hot Spot (1990)
      Wild At Heart (1990)
      Impulse (1990)
      Dick Tracy (1990)
      Delicatessen (1991)
      Reservoir Dogs (1992)
      Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me (1992)
      Romeo Is Bleeding (1993)
      True Romance (1993)
      The Wrong Man (1993)
      The Last Seduction (1994)
      Pulp Fiction (1994)
      Blink (1994)
      Se7en (1995)
      Fargo (1996)
      Mulholland Falls (1996)
      Hit Me (1996)
      Jackie Brown (1997)
      L.A. Confidential (1997)
      Lost Highway (1997)
      This World, Then the Fireworks (1997)
      Dark City (1998)
      A Simple Plan (1998)
      The Big Lebowski (1998)
      Payback (1999)
      Night Train (1999)
      The Man Who Wasnt There (2001)
      Mulholland Drive (2001)
      Sin City (2005)
      No Country For Old Men (2007)
      Dark Country (2009)
      The Killer Inside Me (2010)
      Sin City: A Dame To Kill For (2014)

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        Jessica_Rabbit69 — 10 years ago(August 31, 2015 09:05 AM)

        "the so called Neo Noir would have to be extremely twisted to off set it's lack of Noir stylistics."
        I agree with that.
        This is a great list, most of the 60's, 70's and 80's ones you mention I have seen and liked. Interesting to put
        In the Heat of the Night
        as Neo-Noir, but I can see it.
        I have been trying to track down
        Hickey & Boggs
        for a long time. No luck as of yet. It is on youtube, but there seems to be something wrong with the print.
        Blink
        I saw when it came out and liked it a lot.
        Se7en
        is a movie I cannot stomach. That was a bit too much.
        Jessica Rabbit
        "I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."

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          mgtbltp — 10 years ago(August 31, 2015 11:02 AM)

          RE:
          In The Heat Of The Night
          the menu on the 40th anniversary edition has a B&W Noir homage. You get, in your face Noir, just from the opening credits, then the rest of the sets are what I like to call Edward Hopper-esque Noir. It's gets so hyped as a landmark/breakthrough film that its not noticed how Noir it is the same goes for
          Shaft
          , it practically started the Blaxploitation craze but its a solid Neo Noir PI flick and not at all like the cheap flood of over the top quasi imitations that followed, check it out too.
          I get a lot of hard to find DVD films through Ebay (
          Hickey & Boggs
          ,
          Romeo Is Bleeding
          ) they may be from Hong Kong, Thailand, etc. but if they are R0 and have English listed as one of the languages I've had no problem. The DVDs are just default set to whatever the native language of country of origin is, you just go to the menu click English, and then click no subtitles.
          Oldies.com has a good DVD copy of
          The Kill-Off
          which is one of the best adaptations of a Jim Thompson book.
          My next option (lucky for me I still have a VHS player) is VHS tapes which have a lot of titles that still haven't made it to DVD, and may never. I got
          Delusion
          , and
          This World Then The Fireworks
          that way.

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            Jessica_Rabbit69 — 10 years ago(August 31, 2015 01:07 PM)

            "It's gets so hyped as a landmark/breakthrough film that its not noticed how Noir it is the same goes for Shaft,"
            Very true. I also looked at those movies simply as landmark movies, with the Blaxploitation films being the more fun version of serious ones. My fault.
            I don't have the 40th anniversary DVD of
            In the Heat of the Night
            , but the B&W Noir homage sounds great.
            Shaft
            is a fun movie and I even like the new version.
            There still seem to be quite a lot of people who have their old VHS players. Mine went out a long time ago, but maybe I should have held on to it.
            Jessica Rabbit
            "I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."

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              mgtbltp — 10 years ago(September 01, 2015 05:04 AM)

              Here you go J_R69 I posted the menu of the 40th anniversary edition a while ago on Youtube to illustrate it's homage to Noir:
              And here are the very Noir opening credits chiarocuro lighting, high and low angle cinematography, shadows:

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                Jessica_Rabbit69 — 10 years ago(September 01, 2015 10:24 AM)

                Thank you! I tried to find it on youtube but typed in the whole title. Didn't think of "ITHOTN menu". 🙂
                Time for a re-watch.
                Jessica Rabbit
                "I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."

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                  Spikeopath — 10 years ago(September 02, 2015 01:40 AM)

                  Yes, me also. That's how I got to see
                  Deep Cover
                  , bought the VHS off ebay.
                  The
                  Spikeopath

                  Hospital Number
                  217

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                    jgcole — 10 years ago(August 31, 2015 12:49 PM)

                    Good list, a few I haven't seen including
                    Shaft
                    which I've been meaning to watch. It's got to be worth it for the soundtrack alone. Watching
                    Alfredo Garcia
                    this week.
                    Here's a few you might want to check out that I didn't see on your list or spike's:
                    Devil in a Blue Dress, The Long Goodbye, The Two Jakes
                    and
                    After Dark, My Sweet
                    .
                    NIPO is about the best to be hoped for from today's cinema. Nobody's going to make a black and white and nobody is going to lean too much towards style over substance. The movie going demographic is simply not interested and directors do want their films to be seen.

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                      Jessica_Rabbit69 — 10 years ago(August 31, 2015 01:16 PM)

                      I second
                      Devil in a Blue Dress
                      . Highly recommended.
                      Jessica Rabbit
                      "I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."

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                        Jessica_Rabbit69 — 9 years ago(November 21, 2016 06:57 AM)

                        Great review. I'm a fan, but it's one of those films where I have to steel myself before watching. I've seen it twice, and read the book, and it's nothing you can just sit down, watch and forget. I also wouldn't watch it by myself when I'm home alone. Too horrific and chilling.
                        I see you got a little lecture on the CFB when you posted this. 🙂 It's so unfortunate that the CFB has become such an annoying board.
                        Jessica Rabbit
                        "I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."

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                          mgtbltp — 9 years ago(November 21, 2016 07:29 AM)

                          I don't ever look for hidden agendas in films, but there are folks out there who see everything in black and white, good and bad, who think they are the watchdogs of the culture. I just ignore it.
                          The main point of my reviews is the Visual thread that runs through these films that's sort of why they are heavy on screenshots. The exceptional ones are are works of art.

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                            Jessica_Rabbit69 — 9 years ago(November 21, 2016 07:33 AM)

                            That particular poster is extremely knowledgable on film, I mostly enjoy his posts, but he's also very very pedantic and humorless.
                            Jessica Rabbit
                            "I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."

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                              XhcnoirX — 9 years ago(November 25, 2016 03:42 AM)

                              One Shoe Makes It Murder
                              (1982): Robert Mitchum is a private eye who has given up on life. He's hired by casino owner Mell Ferrer, someone has been cooking his books and he thinks his wife might be in danger because of it. Mitchum finds her quickly enough, but minutes after he leaves her apartment he witnesses her fall from her balcony to a sudden death. Inspector Jose Perez thinks it's murder due to one of her slippers being nowhere near the balcony while she was wearing the other one, and isn't crazy about Mitchum acting like a clam. Ferrer re-hires Mitchum however, this time to find out what happened to his wife. He eventually discovers that ex-hooker and barfly Angie Dickinson, who's been throwing herself at him ever since he stepped into the casino, might be the key to unlock the mystery.
                              This is a decent but unremarkable made-for-TV movie, which stands out due to the presence of Mitchum ('Out Of The Past') and Dickinson ('The Killers'). Mitchum plays the type of role he was made for, as a broken man who's so jaded by his past (which includes a failed suicide attempt) that he cannot even get it up for the sexy and affectionate Dickinson. Dickinson is good and gives her character a genuinely warm side, but because of it, the impact of her character on the dead wife's past is never really felt. The 'kindred spirit' chemistry between Mitchum and Dickinson works really well however, it is there, but neither character really knows how to act on it, and fall back in their old ways. Their scenes together, as well as Mitchum's world-weary lines and voice-over narration which is used extensively throughout this movie, are what make this movie stand out.
                              The movie itself plays out at a very leisurely pace, and doesn't really 'thrill', even tho it's competently made. It's just not an edge-of-your-seat mystery/thriller. Pretty routine work from director William Hale and DoP Terry K. Meade, with only an occasional creative shot such as when Mitchum witness the fall. The plot, based on a novel, is also pretty straight-forward and not too surprising. Watch this one for Mitchum and Dickinson's scenes. 6/10
                              This TV movie can be found on youtube in decent quality in its original 4:3 aspect ratio (the version I watched), but it has also been released as a widescreen DVD.

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                                gordonl56 — 9 years ago(November 27, 2016 08:26 AM)

                                Saw it back in the late 80' late night on the tv. Do not recall if I liked it. (a bad sign normally) On the re-watch list it goes.

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                                  mgtbltp — 9 years ago(November 30, 2016 05:21 AM)

                                  "The world is full o' complainers. An' the fact is, nothin' comes with a guarantee. Now I don't care if you're the Pope of Rome, President of the United States or Man of the Year; somethin' can all go wrong. Now go on ahead, y'know, complain, tell your problems to your neighbor, ask for help, 'n watch him fly. Now, in Russia, they got it mapped out so that everyone pulls for everyone else that's the theory, anyway. But what I know about is Texas, an' down here you're on your own."
                                  All I can say is Wow! What a debut film of the Coen Brother's. This film has got STYLE. Directed by Joel Coen, (& Ethan Coen (uncredited)) (
                                  Miller's Crossing
                                  (1990),
                                  Barton Fink
                                  (1991),
                                  Fargo
                                  (1996),
                                  The Big Lebowski
                                  (1998),
                                  The Man Who Wasn't There
                                  (2001),
                                  No Country for Old Men
                                  (2007)), and written by both Joel Coen & Ethan Coen. The films cinematography was by Barry Sonnenfeld (
                                  Raising Arizona
                                  (1987),
                                  Miller's Crossing
                                  (1990)) and the music was by Carter Burwell (
                                  Fargo
                                  (1996),
                                  The Big Lebowski
                                  (1998),
                                  No Country for Old Men
                                  (2007),
                                  Mildred Pierce
                                  (TV Mini-Series)).
                                  The film stars John Getz (
                                  The Fly
                                  (1986)) as Ray, Frances McDormand (
                                  Fargo
                                  (1996), Lone Star (1996),
                                  The Man Who Wasn't There
                                  (2001)) as femme fatale Abby Marty, Dan Hedaya (
                                  True Confessions
                                  (1981),
                                  Tightrope
                                  (1984),
                                  Mulholland Dr.
                                  (1999)) as Julian Marty, M. Emmet Walsh (
                                  Midnight Cowboy
                                  (1969),
                                  Serpico
                                  (1973),
                                  Straight Time
                                  (1978),
                                  Blade Runner
                                  (1982),
                                  Narrow Margin
                                  (1990)) as private investigator Loren Visser, Samm-Art Williams (
                                  Dressed to Kill
                                  (1980),
                                  A Rage in Harlem
                                  (1991)) as Meurice, and Deborah Neumann as Debra.
                                  P.I.'s are arguably, along with the femme fatale, probably the two top icons of Noir, but in the totality of the Noir/Neo Noir canon there are surprisingly, contrary to popular perception, not very many films that actually do feature your classic hardboiled private detective. Oh don't get me wrong there is sleuthing going on in quite a bit of Film Noir, but it's done by a plethora of characters, newspaper reporters, the falsely accused, the amnesiacs, the framed, cabbies, tabloid photographers, secretaries, taxi dancers, average joe's, even kids. Out of those films that do actually have P.I.'s, I can only think of four with private detectives that have gone bad, Jeff Bailey (Robert Mitchum) in,
                                  Out Of the Past
                                  , J.B. MacDonald (Raymond Burr) in
                                  Pitfall
                                  , Kerric (Raymond Burr) in
                                  Abandoned
                                  , and hayseed sheetkicker Loren Visser (M. Emmet Walsh) in this film
                                  Blood Simple
                                  , which takes "The Bad Detective" to a whole new level.
                                  Blood Simple starts off with sleazy bedroom dick Visser's voice over about there being no guarantees in life. Visser was hired by Julian Marty who owns Neon Boots a honkey-tonk/strip bar. Marty wants Visser, to keep tabs on his "funny: acting wife, Abby. Julian suspects some hanky panky is going on between Abby and one of his barkeepers, either "Motown" Meurice or "Cowboy" Ray.
                                  On a rainy night Ray offers to drive Abby to Houston on his day off. Abby spills the beans to Ray about her screwed up marriage. Ray replies that he's always liked her.
                                  Abby:
                                  He gave me a little pearl-handled .38 for our first anniversary.
                                  Ray:
                                  Uh-huh.
                                  Abby:
                                  Figured I'd better leave before I used it on him. I don't know how you can stand him.
                                  Ray:
                                  Well, I'm only an employee, I ain't married to him.
                                  One thing leads to another and Abby ends up repeatedly batter-dipping Ray's corn dog in a variety of positions in a cheap roadside hot sheet motel. Visser who has been tailing them all along in his VW bug is able to indulge in one of his perverted kinks, peeping and photographing their dirty deeds. Visser takes particular pleasure rubbing Julian]s nose in his armature porn shots of Ray and Abby.
                                  Private Detective Visser:
                                  [about a photo of Ray and Abby] I know a place you can get that framed.
                                  Marty:
                                  What did you take these for?
                                  Private Detective Visser:
                                  What do you mean? Just doin' my job.
                                  Marty:
                                  You called me, I knew they were there, so what do I need these for?
                                  Private Detective Visser:
                                  Well, I don't know Call it a fringe benefit.
                                  Marty:
                                  How long did you watch her?
                                  Private Detective Visser:
                                  Most of the night They'd just rest a few minutes and then get started again. Quite something.
                                  Julian stews over the revelations, confronts Ray and Abby to little effect, then decides to make Visser an offer.
                                  Marty:
                                  I got a job for you.
                                  Private Detective Visser:
                                  Uh, well, if the pay's right, and it's legal, I'll do it.
                                  Marty:
                                  It's not strictly legal.
                                  Private Detective Visser:
                                  [Thinks for a second] Well, if the pay's right, I'll do it.
                                  Julian offers Visser 10 Gs to kill Ray and Abby and get rid of the bodies.
                                  Of course this being a Neo Noir nothing goes down quite as expected, and when it does go down, it's with great style. The film is full of twists, double crosses and a healthy helping of bizarre black humor.
                                  Dan Hedaya and M. Emmet Walsh are both in top form as the films unforgettable two sleazeballs around which this picaresque universe revolves. The soundtrack and

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                                    mgtbltp — 9 years ago(December 04, 2016 03:51 AM)

                                    This post Hays (Motion Picture Production) Code and pre PC "code" version of Raymond Chandler's "Farewell My Lovely" is probably the closest version to the novel we are going to see, it's firing on all cylinders. It pulls no punches, it's serious, dialog wise, doing justice to the novel.
                                    In the previously adapted for film 1944 version Murder, My Sweet, Dick Powell was great as wisecracking Marlowe, he's pretty much as I pictured him in my mind's eye as I read the book. Mitchum at 58 years, in this film, is just a tad too old to fit the Marlowe of the novel. He's also a tad too iconic, Mitchum is playing Mitchum playing Marlowe, but the script reflects at least this age difference, he's written as an older wiser Marlowe, a weary character who realizes he's over the hump and sort of coasting. This small change becomes very believable as Mitchum settles into the part. He's still the knight of streets but now he creaks and is just a bit more tarnished.
                                    Farewell My Lovely was ably directed by Dick Richards just like an old studio "B" production picture without any noticeable in your face style.
                                    The features Robert Mitchum (Film Noir Icon in no less than eight classics) as the definitive private detective Philip Marlowe. The film also has Noir star John Ireland (a vet of at least six classic noirs where he either played the bad guy, the good guy, or the not so bad guy) as Detective Lt. Nulty.
                                    Charlotte Rampling (Angel Heart (1987)) as Femme Fatale Helen Grayle, Sylvia Miles (Murder, Inc. (1960), Naked City (TV Series), Terror in the City (1964), Midnight Cowboy (1969)), as Jesse Halstead Florian, Anthony Zerbe (Naked City (TV Series), Cool Hand Luke (1967), The Laughing Policeman (1973)), as Laird Brunette gangster/gambling ship operator. Harry Dean Stanton (The Wrong Man (1956), In the Heat of the Night (1967), Dillinger (1973), Paris, Texas (1984), Wild at Heart (1990)), as Detective Billy Rolfe LAPD, Jack O'Halloran as Moose Malloy.
                                    The rest of the cast has, Sylvester Stallone (Cop Land (1997)), as Jonnie, Joe Spinell (The Godfather (1972), The Seven-Ups (1973), Taxi Driver (1976)) as Nick, Burton Gilliam as Cowboy. Kate Murtagh (87th Precinct (TV Series)) in a part channeling Hope Emerson, as Frances Amthor, L.A.'s whorehouse madam/drug dealer (Believed they say to be based on Brenda Allen whose arrest in 1948 triggered a scandal that led to the reform of the L.A.P.D.). John O'Leary as Lindsay Marriott, Walter McGinn as Tommy Ray washed up jazz man. Jim Thompson (hardboiled novelist) as Judge Baxter Wilson Grayle, Logan Ramsey (Something Wild (1961), Naked City (TV Series)) as the Police Commissioner, and what was left of Greater Los Angeles of the 1940s.
                                    The hardboiled tale starts with Marlowe's smoky voice over as he's looking out the warped glass window of a downtown LA dive hotel. He's holed up there waiting for his case to break.
                                    When Detective Lt. Nulty, LAPD arrives at his flop Marlowe begins to lay out the case from the beginning, which we see in an extended flashback.
                                    After successfully tracking down a wayward teen at a dime a dance hall, he is almost roughed up by The Moose, a giant ex con who did a six year stretch for armed bank robbery. He watched Marlowe deliver the girl to her folks and gets obsessed with having Marlowe find his missing Velma. Moose slips Marlowe a fifty as a retainer. Velma, Moose tells Marlowe was "Cute, cute as lace pants".
                                    It turns out Velma used to be a stripper/B-girl/hooker who worked out of a dump on Central called Florian's. In the time that Moose was in the joint, Mike Florian died and the neighborhood turned black. When Moose and Marlowe get to Florian's, it's in the hood and the clientele is all black. During a tense confrontation, Moose kills Mr. Montgomery, the current owner, and they find out nothing about Velma. Moose scoots, leaving Marlowe to call the cops and deal with Nulty.
                                    After telling the cops the details of what went down at Florian's, Marlowe slips out and spies a fleabag hotel, The Crescent, across the avenue. He crosses the pavement to the sidewalk and up into the hotel lobby. Marlowe finds out that Tommy Ray a bandleader, (Tommy Ray and The Sun Rays) who used to work at Florian's has rooms upstairs.
                                    From Tommy, Marlowe finds out Jesse Florian's address, and the tip that a fifth of booze will be his best friend. Jesse is a bit of an alkie, and Sylvia Miles does an extraordinary portrayal of Jesse that is subtle, touching, and heart wrenchingly sad. After Marlowe plays a little footsie with Jesse, she decides that he's alright and calls Tommy Ray who slips him a picture of Velma from the old days. Only it's a bum steer, flashing the picture at Burly Q's, and agents gets a name, but it isn't Velma, it's a dead end to a catatonic at Camarillo, the State Mental Hospital.
                                    Before the end of the film Marlowe gets his mellon thunked while Lindsay Marriott gets dead on a bungled jewel theft payoff. He gets his noodle wet with a horney Mrs. Grayle, and gets g

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                                      mgtbltp — 9 years ago(December 16, 2016 10:43 AM)

                                      A nice discovery, right before Christmas, Too Late was actually first brought to my attention by a review in The New York Times. A review that I stumbled upon while doing a search online for something else almost a half year ago. It was well after Too Late left the few theaters it was screened at. I just discovered it's available to watch now on Netflix streaming. Neo Noir is alive and doing well.
                                      Too Late is a surprisingly brilliant addition to the Private Eye & Neo Noir Pantheon. This film passed well under practically everyone's "noir-dar" when it was debuted on March 18, 2016 in Los Angeles, California, followed on the 25th in New York City. With all the current zeitgeist going towards blockbusters, "celebrities" and oscar bait, and this having an extremely limited release, hardly anyone has seen much less heard of this fantastic modern take on Noir.
                                      The film was directed and sharpley written by Dennis Hauck, the cinematography was by Bill Fernandez, and has an eclectic smorgasbord of music by Robert Allaire. Upon first viewing you'll see obvious nods to Sergio Leone's narrative style from Once Upon A Time In America that Tarantino homaged in Pulp Fiction. This is coupled with some intelligent and, if you pay attention, clue filled dialog vis-à-vis again, Tarantino. It also uses split screen in some sequences (Marlowe (1969)) and is loaded with other subtle noir and film references, i.e., an interesting off beat quote from Altman's Short Cuts (1993). There are probably more. The film was shot not only in 35mm Techniscope, but also in five Acts, twenty-two minute individual takes, with no hidden cuts or other editing.
                                      Too Late stars John Hawkes (D.O.A. (1988), Winter's Bone (2010), The Pardon (2013)) as a damaged, pushing 60, hawk-nosed, rough, weary, stringbean freelance Private Detective Mel Sampson, he's also a smoker, a toker, and a boozer. Crystal Reed (CSI: Crime Scene Investigation (TV Series 2010)) as Dorothy, Vail Bloom (Angel of Death (2009)) as ex stripper, femme fatale Janet Lyons, Jeff Fahey (Impulse (1990), Planet Terror (2007), Machete (2010)), as "Cowboy" Roger Fontaine, Gordy's muscle, Robert Forster (Jackie Brown (1997), Mulholland Drive (2001), Hotel Noir (2012)) as Gordy Lyons mobbed up strip club owner, Joanna Cassidy (The Outfit (1973), The Laughing Policeman (1973), Blade Runner (1982) ) as Eleanor Mahler, Natalie Zea () Brett Jacobsen as "Skippy" Fontaine, Dichen Lachman as Jilly Bean, Dash Mihok as Jesse, Sydney Tamiia Poitier as Veronica, and Rider Strong as Matthew.
                                      L.A., 2015. In some perverse joke of the gods, Bunker Hill rises in its skyscraper reincarnation, dwarfing the stubby spike of the Los Angeles City Hall. The view is from Radio Hill, and down across a yellowish, smog shrouded Chinatown. A woman, Dorothy, calls Mel Sampson P.I. for help. He's Too Late. She's dead.
                                      What follows, time jumps between the present, seven years in the past, and five days ago, and is wondrously Noirsville.
                                      A bizarre confrontation on a hilltop patio between Sampson, Gordy, Fontaine, and Fontaine's and Gordy's less than classy ex stripper wives, Veronica, and the half naked Janet.
                                      A stripbar cute meet between Sampson, Dorothy, and Sampson's future gal pal Jilly Bean, followed by a late night nightcap at a C&W bar.
                                      The reveal in an L.A. hotel room between Sampson, and Mary and Eleanor Mahler.
                                      The botched attempted murder of a witness.
                                      The acting in the film by all the principles is impeccable. John Hawkes' Mel Sampson is the anti Hollywood pretty boy hero, it took me a few reflective hours to put my finger on who he reminds me of. If you grew up in the late 60's and were a part of the counterculture and read many of the seminal works of the underground comix movement you'll see the visual resemblance to comix icon R. Crumb. He downplays his part, making him accessible and believable.
                                      Neo Noir vet Robert Forster is a nasty piece of work as the hard barked stripclub owner. Jeff Fahey is teddy bear-ish, good ol' boy enforcer with a broken leg. Vail Bloom is touching as the wound a bit too tight, ex stripper beauty, who crumbles disastrously, when her world comes tumbling down. Natalie Zea is heartbreaking in the part of Mary.
                                      Too Late is at the moment available on Netflix streaming. If I have to point out any minuses I would say it could have used a bit more outdoor location footage, but that's me. A thinking man's Noir 9/10.
                                      Full review with NSFW screencaps here
                                      http://noirsville.blogspot.com/2016/12/too-late-2015-tarantinian-neo-noir.html

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                                        morrison-dylan-fan — 9 years ago(December 21, 2016 06:58 PM)

                                        Hi Spike,with you being back,I'll give this superb thread a boost.
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                                        "Murder is killing without a license-and everybody kills."

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                                          Despite a family friend being a big fan of their work,I've never had the chance to catch a glimpse of Michael Winner/Charles Bronson's collaborations.Checking updates on Netflix UK,I found out that one of their team-ups was going to be taken off the site in a few days,which led to me fixing things up with the mechanic.
                                          The plot:
                                          Cutting out any connection to a social or personal life, Arthur Bishop trains himself to be a mechanic/hit-man for a group which demands the very best from their assassins. Successfully following an order to kill a member of the group,Bishop attends the funeral of his victim. During the funeral,Bishop crosses paths with the victims son Steve McKenna. Finding McKenna to have a detachment to life that matches his,Bishop begins to think that McKenna has the tools to be a fellow mechanic.
                                          View on the film:
                                          For someone who always sounded like the life of the party in interviews,director Michael Winner displays an unexpected ear for silence,with Winner breaking Bishop's merciless Film Noir loner veins with extended sequences featuring no dialogue,which strike at the cold, soulless emotion Bishop feels towards his job. Whilst screenwriter Lewis John Carlino complained over the hard-nosed script being softened,Winner keeps the Noir chill at the frozen heart of Bishop, shining in stylish scatter-gun tracking shots keeping track of the mechanical nature of Bishop's kills.
                                          Bringing an outsider in to join Bishop and sending them both to Italy,Winner pushes the Noir shoulder aside for a dash in Italian Crime,that despite bringing some frantic chase moments in,does leave to a pause in looking at the empty reflection of Bishop. Opening Bishop's bag of tools for the final,Winner whips the title back to the dour Noir soul of Bishop,in a richly cynical ending that delivers a burning parting shot from Bishop. Stuck with a smug Jan- Michael Vincent as Steve McKenna, Bronson cuts a note of pure Noir class as Bishop. Slithering in the shadows of his victims, Bronson brilliantly expresses in silence the coldness Bishop feels towards each murder,as Bishop sets his target on another mechanical kill.
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                                          mgtbltp — 9 years ago(December 22, 2016 07:34 PM)

                                          Via, The Road, La Strada, the ancient conduit of Civilization. Updated to circa 1974. The place, Arena Diner Truck Stop, meadowlands beep halfway between Newark and Jersey beep New Jersey.
                                          Road Movie, a Neo Noir no one has heard of, was directed by Joseph Strick (one of the directors of The Savage Eye (1959), and director of The Big Break (1953),Tropic of Cancer (1970)). Strick was a Braddock Pennsylvania native, who has had a successful career primarily as a documentary filmmaker. The Savage Eye which won 1960 BAFTA Flaherty Documentary Award is often considered to be part of the cinema vérité movement of the 1950s and 1960s.
                                          The film was credited as being written by Judith Rascoe (Who'll Stop the Rain (1978)), and by Joseph Strick (story). Cinematography by was by Don Lenzer (Woodstock (1970), Street Scenes (1970)). The excellent melange of blues and country music was by Stanley Myers (The Deer Hunter (1978).
                                          The film stars Regina Baff (Escape from Alcatraz (1979)), Robert Drivas (Cool Hand Luke (1967), Route 66 (TV Series)), Barry Bostwick (The Rocky Horror Picture Show (1975)), David Bauer (Dark of the Sun (1968), Diamonds Are Forever (1971)), David Challis, Rodney Cleghorn, Beatrice Colen, Rik Colitti, Eileen Dietz, Laura Esterman and the great American road.
                                          Janice (Baff) is a whore. Started young.A born slut. Teeny Bopper with hot pants. Arcade photo booth. Janice nude under her coat. Taking nudie shots of her pink canoe. Prints sell to perves. Caught! Taken to the office. Owner threats to call the cops. Janice tells him "I got one good reason why we shouldn't go to the cops" and she opened her coat giving the owner an eye full and Janice does it with the creep, does it all right in the office. A new career launched.
                                          Road Movie has an opening credit sequence that beautifully captures vignettes along the transient mileposts in the lives of modern teamsters. The film begins with a tearied eye Janice. She's arguing in a car with a john or her pimp. He kicks her out at the Arena Diner Truckstop. He tells her she'll have to work trucks. A highway hooker.
                                          She goes into the diner. She heads for the ladies room. She straightens her wig. She freshens up. She then heads back out into the lot. She's a bitch. She's a survivor. She'll sell her ass to truckers.
                                          Rolling out of the lot in their Peterbilt with a reefer load of beef, are veteran driver Gill (Robert Drivas) jaded, divorced, woman beater, and Hank (Barry Bostwick) greenhorn trying to follow in his trucker father's wheel tracks, two independent truckers. Gill spots Janice and tells her they are headed to Chicago. Janice says a hundred, Gill counters fifty.
                                          Janice hops in the sleeper, a ride for a ride, a cooze for the cruise. During the trip West, Hank gets friendly. Gill gets rough, and Janice gets revenge.
                                          Revenge for Janice is monkeying around with the reefer unit on the truck, losing the refrigeration means they got to dump their load for a loss at the nearest meat locker in Pittsburgh. Janice tells them she can get them a load through her mob connections. Of course the road ahead spiral curves into downtown Noirsville.
                                          Road Movie is a great primer on independent truckers, on all the crapola they steer around and all the hoops they drive through. It's also a depressing 1974 ride through the decaying industrial neighborhoods and the sign polluted retail strips of American cities. We get drive bys of the strip mines of coal country, the refineries, junk strewn lots, auto salvage graveyards, chain link fences netting windrows of trash and desperate roadside attractions. The film evokes both the Classic Noirs Detour (1945) and The Hitch-Hiker (1953).
                                          Regina Baff's Femme Fatale Janice is a spunky piece of work. She is audacious, bitter, destitute, hair triggered and self sufficient. Baff really displays her acting chops as she's degraded, beat up, pushed around, bares her straight razor claw during a mugging, offers her body to highway weigh station officers, and shows her dogged ferocity when Gill finally casts her off. Baff's Janice is the soul mate to Ann Savage's Vera.
                                          Robert Drivas' rough edged Gill has the "life's a bitch and then you die" mantra of a life on autopilot, he wants to own nothing to nobody. Barry Bostwick's gentle Hank is the romantic, a dreamer, the down homeboy trying to follow a dream. Both are convincing.
                                          Road Movie is a nice Noir slice of the 70's, the cinematography, music, the sound design, even the diegetic sound of holy roller radio preachers shucking bleeding heart of Jesus statues that actually squirt blood, while the ephemera of cast off americana kitsch constantly rolls past our view is both depressingly bleak and amusingly entertaining. Screenshots are from the Image Entertainment DVD. 7/10.
                                          Full review with screencaps here:
                                          http://noirsville.blogspot.com/2016/12/road-movie-1974-road-noir.html

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