Tatum O'Neal's Bizarre Revelations Re Barry Lyndon & Vivian Kubrick
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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — Barry Lyndon
hyperstillharry — 10 years ago(February 11, 2016 02:29 AM)
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My father mesmerised full-grown women, so it was no wonder that twelve-year-old Vivian fell for him. He was so handsome, funny, and seductive that she developed a deep and desperate crush on him. I began to worry that she tolerated me only as a conduit to my father. Worse yet, her crush didn't seem entirely unrequited. While I'm sure they never had any sexual contact- my father never had a thing for young girls- he evidently relished her affection enough to keep pouring on the charm.
When Vivian told Stanley about my father's flirtation, he was outraged. I never heard what he said to my father about it, but they had some kind of falling out. Stanley later dropped my father as the narrator of Barry Lyndon."
From Tatum O'Neal's ghost-written autobiography (first published in 2004). More about Kubrick and Vivian in O'Neal's auto-biog at
http://rommcat.blogspot.ie/2011/08/from-paper-life-by-tatum-oneal.html
Thackeray's novel has Redmond Barry as the first-person unreliable narrator of the story, while Kubrick changed this to have a more distant, third-person voice-over narration by Michael Hordern, who was not a persona or character in the film's diegesis. But whether this was directly due to the above incident some thirty years before Tatum O'Neal's autobiography, when she was only 10-years-old, is somewhat dubious.
And more about Vivian Kubrick and her relationship with her father in this recent Vanity Fair (French Edition) article by Laurent Vachaud, which includes recent interviews with Chriasiane Kubrick, Katharina Kubrick, Gordon Stainforth (editor on "The Shining" and Vivian's doc about the film), and Larry Smith (cinematographer on "Eyes Wide Shut":
http://www.vanityfair.fr/enquetes/story/dans-lombre/12
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naples-884-346409 — 10 years ago(February 13, 2016 07:34 AM)
Tatum O'Neal is a phony.
Kubrick changed the narration because it was important for the film to have distance to the character.
Kubrick explains it in some interviews.
She tries to sell her crappy book. -
hyperstillharry — 10 years ago(February 13, 2016 01:26 PM)
"Taum O'Neal is a phony."
It's "Tatum". Clearly, she is someone who obsessively craves attention, a result of both her unbringing and her childhood limelight instant celebrity status (winning an Oscar at the age of ten, the youngest ever such recipient). There's an old saying that all biographies, especially autobiographies, are works of fiction, the worst form of fiction, and one of the worst modes of writing (because they masquerade as the real Truth). Nevertheless, there is much in what Tatum writes (or rather, someone else writes for her, as it was ghost-written, as with most so-called "autobiographies") in her biog. What she says about her stay with the Kubricks in 1973/74 is largely accurate and credible, including Vivian flirting with Ryan O'Neal (her mother, Christiane would later confirm this with a journalist, Jon Ronson, in 2004). What is false is her conclusion, her inference that this led to Kubrick changing the voice-over narration on "Barry Lyndon". Kubrick used both first-person and third-person narration on previous (and subsequent) films eg "A Clockwork Orange" uses first-person narration by the film's principal protagonist, Alex DeLarge/Malcolm MacDowell, while "The Killing" used the impersonal third-person narration.
What is also of note, and of interest, is that in subsequent films after "Barry Lyndon" (both "The Shining" and "Full Metal Jacket") Kubrick allowed his daughter full access to the set in the mode of filming a "Making of" doc, a way of maintaining a professional 'distance' from what she was filming, from the cast and crew.
"She tries to sell her crappy book."
As with anyone else who writes a book, or makes a film, or releases a piece of music, of has something they want to sell, even themselves. Contemporary capitalism turns everyone into a zombified commodity where everything is "for sale"
Yes, of course I completely agree, but aren't you actually completely wrong? -
naples-884-346409 — 10 years ago(February 14, 2016 06:56 AM)
"Taum O'Neal is a phony."
It's "Tatum".
REALLY ???
Thanks for playing typo police.
What would we do without smart people like you ?
What is false is her conclusion, her inference that this led to Kubrick changing the voice-over narration on "Barry Lyndon". Kubrick used both first-person and third-person narration on previous (and subsequent) films eg "A Clockwork Orange" uses first-person narration by the film's principal protagonist, Alex DeLarge/Malcolm MacDowell, while "The Killing" used the impersonal third-person narration.
That was my point.
"She tries to sell her crappy book."
As with anyone else who writes a book, or makes a film, or releases a piece of music, of has something they want to sell, even themselves. Contemporary capitalism turns everyone into a zombified commodity where everything is "for sale"
Maybe we and Tatum are "zombies" of capitalism, but this doesn't give her the right to write nonsense.
BTW: You are probably the most pretentious person I've ever met on the net -
christomacin — 10 years ago(March 10, 2016 11:17 PM)
BTW: You are probably the most pretentious person I've ever met on the net
Don't feel too bad. On
The Shining
board I was accused by this individual of being a closet racist due to my misspelling of the name of the Scatman Crothers character Dick Hallora
nn
as Dick Hallora
n
(with one "n" instead of two). You see, it must have been my subconscious desire to call the Scatman a "ni$$er" which is why a left one of the n's out of the character's name. Makes perfect sense, doesn't it? Never mind the fact that many Irish names have multiple spellings (Halloran and Hallorann are both used) and it may just have been an honest mistake. -
hyperstillharry — 10 years ago(March 21, 2016 06:56 PM)
Christo, you are completely paranoid, so unhinged that you are now fantasmatically constructing boogeymen, red herrings, non-sequiturs, to feed your hysteria. Your claims are completely ridiculous and unhinged
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hyperstillharry — 10 years ago(March 21, 2016 06:53 PM)
"Taum O'Neal is a phony."
It's "Tatum".
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REALLY ???
Thanks for playing typo police.
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Your misspelling was deliberate, but you are too stupid and oblivious to be even aware of yourself, to comprehend that it was intended.
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What would we do without smart people like you
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Well, we'd be a lot better off without sexist little pricks like you terrorizing public forums in order to slander women and insult those defending them
What is false is her conclusion, her inference that this led to Kubrick changing the voice-over narration on "Barry Lyndon". Kubrick used both first-person and third-person narration on previous (and subsequent) films eg "A Clockwork Orange" uses first-person narration by the film's principal protagonist, Alex DeLarge/Malcolm MacDowell, while "The Killing" used the impersonal third-person narration.
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That was my point.
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No, it wasn't your 'point'. Your 'point' was to invade this forum and this thread in order to peddle your obnoxiously sexist agenda by demonizing a woman who is/was a horrendous victim of systematic neglect and abuse by her mentally ill, sex-addicted, fckd up father (Ryan O'Neal), a basketcase who even managed to publically admit his wrong-doing, and who in all his recent public appearances further manifest both his derangement and his past abuse of his daughter . You take sides with this manic lunatic in order to slander the female victim (a common feature of idiot-adolescent posters on IMDB, who are notoriously sexist little anti-social scumbags). This makes YOU a scumbag misogynist parading it on a public forum.
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She tries to sell her crappy book.
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Which you have never even read. Which you know nothing about, so eager are you to express your obscene, imbecilic sexism As with anyone else who writes a book, or makes a film, or releases a piece of music, of has something they want to sell, even themselves. Contemporary capitalism turns everyone into a zombified commodity where everything is "for sale"
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Maybe we and Tatum are "zombies" of capitalism, but this doesn't give her the right to write nonsense.
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No, you are the zombie, and it is you who is writing nonsense. What Tatum wrote has been widely documented, examined, corroborated, confirmed, and admitted to (her father confessing to his systematic neglect and abuse). You, however, in your perverse ignorance, smug sexism, and imbecilic delusion, prefer to dismiss it all in order to defend the abuser You are a SCUMBAG.
"BTW: You are probably the most pretentious person I've ever met on the net"
You are one of the biggest SCUMBAGS on the net. An internet basket-case, as sick as Ryan O'Neal
Yes, of course I completely agree, but aren't you actually completely wrong?