Was it the 'typical' the 'con' or the 'logic' bit that made you cry?
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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — Blazing Saddles
Culfy — 10 years ago(August 02, 2015 10:19 AM)
Was it the 'typical' the 'con' or the 'logic' bit that made you cry?
Happy to change it to 'atypical liberal illogic' if you want?
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Culfy — 10 years ago(August 03, 2015 09:44 AM)
So you've finally found the mythical proof that liberals banned this film
My congratulations sir - this must be like Indiana Jones finding the lost Ark
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marka99-1 — 10 years ago(August 07, 2015 01:25 PM)
Holy shmit, justanicknamed got OWNED! And he kept coming back for more. Someone needs to learn the saying, "Better to let people think you're an idiot than to open your mouth and prove it". Or in this case type it out, which he did over and over again. Classic!
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marka99-1 — 10 years ago(August 10, 2015 09:53 AM)
And yet another tremendous response to boot. Looking at your past responses is impressive, especially the more recent ones I can't wait to see your comeback. What name(s) will you call me? It's the waiting that's the hardest part.
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MovieMusings — 9 years ago(November 30, 2016 09:39 AM)
Yep, did the very same with me; avoided question, made fatuous assertions, and demonstrably wrong comments, was called out, got defensive and started hurling personal attacks.
How this person thinks anyone will take this modus operandi seriously utterly boggles the mind.
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MovieMusings — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 09:51 PM)
Except that the flag is racist.
The flag represents the country called the Confederate States of America, who based their nation on well, in the words of one of the founders, who served as its Vice-President ?Our new government is founded? upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth?? Alexander Stephens, Cornerstone Speech, Savannah, Georgia, 1861.
"The subsequent PR sanitization efforts to redefine what the CSA, its flag and the reason it went to war with the North is called the "heritage not hate" effort, and it was known to be claptrap even back then.
"Famed Confederate partisan leader Colonel John S. Mosby was equally forthright. ?I?ve always understood that we went to war on account of the thing we quarreled with the North about,? he wrote a former comrade in 1894. ?I?ve never heard of any other cause than slavery.?
"Mosby, [South Carolina politician Robert Barnwell] Rhett, [Confederate President] Davis, [Vice President Alexander] Stephens, and other Confederates had no difficulty conceding what their descendants go to enormous lengths to deny: that the raison d?tre of the Confederacy was the defense of slavery."
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MovieMusings — 9 years ago(November 28, 2016 08:09 PM)
Well, that's what the leaders themselves said.
Here's a couple of notes from my Evernote -
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s90/nl/10185073/9ab22ce9-b61a-4c25-a3c0-ef54b19c9b7f?title=How people convince themselves that the Confederate flag represents freedom%2C not slavery - The Washington Post
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s90/nl/10185073/2d33315f-c2c3-4458-bbb8-5cbd8c47e9e7?title=What This Cruel War Was Over
and these articles have plenty of links to additional documentation.
After the war, there was an effort to sanitize the language (developing dog-whistle terminology including heritage, states' rights, liberty, freedom, etc), but the original leaders, as you'll have read from the above, were not having it; for them, "slavery was the only reason they'd ever known."
So, yeah, the terms people use today to deflect from slavery as the primary (if not single) reason for secession and formation of the Confederate States of America, and over which they fought the North, are terms they came up with deliberately, a strategy the original leaders never embraced, because they felt their cause was God-ordained, right, and on which they should neither be ashamed nor certainly try to hide. In fact, CSA Vice President Alexander Stephens said, very plainly,
"Our new government is founded upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition.
This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth
Alexander Stephens, Cornerstone Speech, Savannah, Georgia, 1861
So, again, based on documentation I've read, I see a clear development of ideas from before the War, during and then after the war, extending well through the 20th century (you're welcome to search around in my Evernote, search terms including dog-whistle, Lee Atwater) that is rooted in the South's determination to celebrate and champion slavery as the foundation of their way of life and extend it to South America (next on the agenda after taking care of the North in the Civil War).
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MovieMusings — 9 years ago(November 29, 2016 06:01 AM)
Yes, I do.
Because those who founded the CSA and fought the North said that's why they did.
Why do you ask? Did you buy into the sanitation, or do you agree with those who seceeded/fought as to why they did?