Mirror Mirror
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DaytonaBob — 9 years ago(November 19, 2016 02:08 AM)
A couple of things.
240 years to effect change? I was always hoping they would find a way to check in and see if the other Spock did make that change much sooner.
As well it would have been nice to see a few extra words with other Spock telling "our" Captain Kirk she would be protected and with him.
Although we have already seen TWO people be transferred as one in other episodes AND Star Trek IV. I kind of wished they had brought her over. The Federation would have probably loved to talk to her about that other universe.
Anyway even though they had her double I always felt bad for the character.
As well I cannot see how any empire can survive and exist like they did anymore than Russia which did fall rather quickly in the scope of time.
China is making changes albeit slowly.
N Korea cannot stand much longer either. I figure within 10 years the North will fall one way or the other.
The Kzin Empire was the only one able to maintain their empire for so long but even they eventually fell.
They who give up liberty to
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timmytony80 — 9 years ago(November 19, 2016 09:30 AM)
Russia seceded b/c of party corruption, more than anything. Not necessarily a system failure. Just as a corrupt French gov't felled Vietnam and NO. Korea. The Roman Empire (west) went-on 4 1K! The Byzantine Empire or Greek-Roman Empire (east Roman Empire) continued afterwards! The Western Empire w/d've lasted 'til today hadn't Constantine violated the 4 emperor gov't system.
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DaytonaBob — 9 years ago(January 25, 2017 11:32 PM)
It was a great many things but most believe it was due to economics combined with corruption but they did not have the capacity to sustain themselves economically as sources dried up.
They who give up liberty to
obtain a temporary safety deserve
neither liberty or safety -
jbaker1-2 — 4 years ago(July 12, 2021 01:31 PM)
And as your comment clearly demonstrates, there's also always stupidity.
There are 8.2 billion people in the world. 8.19 billion of them have never heard of and don't give a fuck about Charlie Kirk. Get over it. -
Stevicus-2 — 9 years ago(November 19, 2016 12:34 PM)
You make some good points. Considering the way that the Terran Empire was portrayed in the mirror universe, I sometimes wonder how it even lasted as long as it did. It seemed more like a gang of pirates than something part of a great interplanetary empire.
Spock's line at the end was interesting: "It was far easier for you, as civilized men, to behave like barbarians, than it was for them as barbarians to behave like civilized men." How can barbarians even build up an interplanetary empire in the first place? Even the Roman Empire knew how to behave civilized at least
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rcocean3 — 9 years ago(November 19, 2016 01:16 PM)
You make some good points. Considering the way that the Terran Empire was portrayed in the mirror universe, I sometimes wonder how it even lasted as long as it did. It seemed more like a gang of pirates than something part of a great interplanetary empire.
Yeah, there was little too much in-fighting between the "Evil" crew. -
jxh13 — 9 years ago(November 21, 2016 03:38 AM)
The Kzin Empire weas the only one able to maintain their empire for so long but even they eventually fell.
Do you truly mean Kzin, Bob? In Niven's Known World, the longest lasting empire was ruled by the Thrint, known as the Slavers. I don't recall the Kzinti Empire being particularly long-lived.
Anyway even though they had her double her always felt bad for the character.
Yeah. It's hard to see things going well for Marlena, unless she does join Spock's (speculative) Revolution.
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Star Trek
terms, the Roman Empire in "Bread and Circuses" had presumably lasted some 2,000 years.
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DaytonaBob — 9 years ago(November 23, 2016 02:37 AM)
The Kzin Empire lasted like it did due to the same things the Klingon Empire did which was a strict adherence to a code of honor and caste system.
The Thrintum kept control through mind control. Hardly the same thing.
Although it is interesting when I was watching the new reboot of Star Trek Beyond when the bad guy mentions fighting in the Kzin wars about dropped my popcorn even though it was mentioned in the animated series which I never took to remotely resemble canon.
When I first saw the animated series I was floored to see an entire episode with the Kzin in it. The Slaver Weapon or something like that.
But promotion through assassination would make the Enterprise not make it past the Moon as everyone would be killing each other to be Captain. Same thing in the episode in Star Trek Enterprise when the linguist ended up being the mean bich at the end.
Got to go read up on that whole thing.Haven't seen many Man/Kzin wars in a long time. Hope we see something about the Man/Kzin wars in ST upcoming.
Surprised Saberhagen didn't sue over the Borg as their idea is so similar The Berserkers series.
They who give up liberty to
obtain a temporary safety deserve
neither liberty or safety -
kerryedavis — 9 years ago(November 23, 2016 03:24 AM)
Well, there might be other sci-fi "villains" that are close to the Borg, but I wouldn't refer to the Berserkers. They were all machine, not cyborg at all, and were only after exterminating all life forms, not "assimilating" them to gain any technology or what-not. In that sense, the Berserkers were more in line with the original Cylons, before PC crap and etc got hold of that story line for the "re-imagined" crap.
And the Kzin should never have gotten crossed into Trek. Not even once, for The Animated Series (TAS). It's one more reason, if anyone needed one, to just totally ignore the "reboot" "Star Trek" movies that aren't really Star Trek at all.