Carroll Baker should have played Sugar
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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — Some Like It Hot
edwardholub — 13 years ago(July 06, 2012 07:44 AM)
If MM was indeed "troubled" and on the verge of a nervous breakdown, she should have been fired for the good of everyone. Baker is a MUCH better actress and would have saved the money that MM cost the production company. Baker was nominated for Baby Doll, her FIRST MOVIE!!!! Monroe should have been committed to an institution and stayed there. She probably would have lived longer.
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heyuactor — 13 years ago(November 22, 2012 09:17 AM)
Assuming for the purpose of discussion that you are not trolling, I don't agree MM should have been fired for the sake of everyone (I mean, Billy Wilder obviously didn't feel that way, he used her in the film to great advantage, no matter how difficult she might have been), and I don't agree Baker 'is a MUCH better actress'.
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any 'money that MM cost the production company' was recouped later due to her wonderful presense and established stardom. As to Marilyn's need to be institutionalized, well, that's another question. Maybe so, maybe not. I'd leave that to the professionals to determine.
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MissSugarKane — 13 years ago(November 30, 2012 04:09 PM)
I disagree. Marilyn was so worth the time, stress and money, as Wilder always admitted when talking of the way she was during the film.
She was simply amazing in this film.
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theduchess86 — 12 years ago(January 15, 2014 09:38 AM)
there is no doubt marilyn was the best dumb blonde ever, if there was an oscar for wiggling and pouting she would have won 100s, as for acting please do not compare her with the great carroll baker, carroll was an a actress, marilyn was a film star a massive film star, also carroll took the marilyn root in the 1960s, when she appeared in the carpetbaggers, harlow, sylvia, etc, glamor and acting
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!!!deleted!!! (5085627) — 11 years ago(February 20, 2015 10:00 AM)
Oh look, yet another poster pulling out that old, tired, and unoriginal "real actresses" vs. Marilyn Monroe argument. How predictable and boorish.
First of all, Duchess, if you want your post to be taken seriously, learn how to punctuate there's something called a period. There's also something called capitalization. (e. e. cummings you're not.)
Secondly, if you're going to reference some of Baker's "serious" acting roles, you shouldn't be mentioning her ridiculously caricatured, almost laughable performances in "Harlow" and "The Carpetbaggers." As evidenced in films such as "Baby Doll" and "Something Wild," Baker's a good actress, but she's never been anything exceptional. She also lacked Monroe's comedic talents and star quality.
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GiaJake — 13 years ago(March 02, 2013 05:13 PM)
CB was lovely and talented. I am surprised she didn't become a bigger star. Perhaps she wasn't interested. However, I cannot picture any other actress being equal to MM in this film. She was such a highlight, Imho no one could have been better.
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DivingIntheBlue — 12 years ago(July 14, 2013 08:15 PM)
Caroll Baker may have been an easier actress to work with and she's obviously talented but she did not have the star power to co-star with Tony Curtis and Jack Lemmon. She was also too young at the time.
As far as MM needing to be locked away, unless you're a professional psychiatrist (and judging from your writing and flippant attitude towards someone who was exhibiting signs of real problems, I hope to God you're not), save the armchair diagnosis for your counsel of stuffed animals. -
!!!deleted!!! (5085627) — 11 years ago(February 20, 2015 11:04 AM)
I also strongly disagree with your harsh rant, edwardholub. There's stating an opinion and then there's launching an attack. Your anti-Monroe diatribe is obviously in the latter category.
When one thinks of "Some Like It Hot," who comes immediately to mind? Marilyn Monroe's the main reason why audiences went to see this film in droves when it was first released and why they continue to see the film again and again 56 years later. I highly doubt this would have been the case if Carroll Baker had been cast. Even Billy Wilder, who rode on Marilyn's coattails, knew and understood that the film was Monroe's and later stated that "no other actress could have played Sugar Kane like Monroe." (Monroe also won a Best Actress Golden Globe for her portrayal of Sugar Kane.) Audiences didn't flock to see SLIH for Wilder's directorial skills nor to see two mainstream actors in drag. The film is considered a classic in large part because of and thanks to Monroe's presence and it's still considered her most memorable role, so even if one isn't a fan of Monroe's, credit should still be given where credit is due.
You also wrote that if Baker had been cast, she "would have saved the money that MM cost the production company." I always enjoy reading idiotic comments from those who have no idea what they're talking about, yet come off as if they're experts on a particular film-related subject. "Some Like It Hot" was and is one of the biggest moneymaking films EVER and again, that's thanks in large part to Marilyn Monroe's involvement, so what's all this money she cost the production company? With this one film alone, she made the studio millions many times over.
Judging by your rant, perhaps you're the one who should be committed. Sounds like you have some anger issues. -
romarub — 9 years ago(June 24, 2016 10:02 PM)
Marilyn was perfect for this film - and you can't improve on perfection. That's why this film can never be remade if rationality is to prevail - not only Marilyn, but everything about this film, was as "perfect" as it could be - including its being filmed in black and white.