So politically angry!!
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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — Joss Whedon
jal2358 — 10 years ago(July 10, 2015 06:30 AM)
Joss needs to stick to entertaining me. I don't care and neither should the average audience member about his thoughts on current politics. He's at comic con introducing a panel and turns it into a political bash against Donald Trump. We don't need your commentary to know Donald Trump is stupid and not in touch with the American people. Please Donald Trump can run for president but get real he won't win. Make a DC comic book movie to make people like DCs comic book characters beyond Superman and Batman!!!
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robertwaynemoore — 10 years ago(September 07, 2015 02:52 AM)
da0My question is: why aren't we all furious? Since 1981 we've been subjected to carefully constructed propaganda that had meant that we spend all out efforts in society at making rich people richer, while ignoring the needs of the middle and poor classes. If these GOP actually created wealth for everyone might be different, but they are dreadful at handling the economy. For instance, the economy from 1933 to 1941 great at about 10% a year, an extraordinary rate, but the Great Depression had created such a massive disaster (pushing the same free market fundamentalism that all the current batch of GOP candidates and Hillary Clinton all believe in) that 10% growth for 8 years only barely helped the country to get back to where it was. The growth was even higher in WW II, but was still an outstanding 4% in the 1950s and late 1940s. It grew to 5% in the 1960s (at a time when taxes on the wealthy were as high as 80%), before dropping to 3% in the 1970s under both Nixon and Carter, both economic conservatives (most people don't know that Carter was big on deregulation).
Then came Reagan. Economic grown drooped to 2%, though stock market investments went though the roof. But other than the investment and finance industries, every segment of the American economy slumped. It stayed at 2% under Bush 41, and then went up to 4% under Clinton. Then it crashed to barely over 1% under Bush 43. Under Obama it has been just under 3%, but notice that economic grown is always at its worse under Republican presidents and much better under Democrats. This is almost exclusively because the GOP keeps adhering to the absurd notion that tax cuts create wealth for the general populace, whereas what it really does is shift money to the upper echelons of society.
To me, we all ought to be in a state of utter fury ALL THE TIME. We need to return to policies closer to those of the thirties, forties, fifties, and sixties, that created vastly more wealthy and distributed it more fairly.
I don't think Whedon is angry enough. And I know most people I know aren't mad enough as well. And to me a complete idiot like Donald Trump, who has a long history of being a part of the problem and has no qualifications to run for political office, ought to make us all so angry that we demand both parties give us candidates who push issues that really will help reverse the steep decline the country has been in since Reagan took office. Another ten or fifteen years of free market fundamentalism could lead to a complete and total collapse of our economy.
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byhisnoodlyappendage — 10 years ago(September 09, 2015 04:40 PM)
not trying to downplay your convictions but he isnt a political strategist nor is he even sound on the subject. his career has made his career on making cult fantasy shows. yes, he's gained popularity with 5b4his recent comic and film endeavors but there are a time and place for when you voice your opinions.
as somebody that grew up on buffy as my life i loved his stories but the man himself has zero diplomacy when it comes to his personal belief. he doesnt understand between his professional self and his personal self and this is why he is receiving such harsh criticism.
his fans feel alienated because his head is so far up his ass he feels he has the right to talk AT them not TO them about what HE believes in. -
GayBoi1 — 10 years ago(October 13, 2015 01:56 PM)
My question is: why aren't we all furious? Since 1981 we've been subjected to carefully constructed propaganda that had meant that we spend all out efforts in society at making rich people richer, while ignoring the needs of the middle and poor classes. If these GOP actually created wealth for everyone might be different, but they are dreadful at handling the economy. For instance, the economy from 1933 to 1941 great at about 10% a year, an extraordinary rate, but the Great Depression had created such a massive disaster (pushing the same free market fundamentalism that all the current batch of GOP candidates and Hillary Clinton all believe in) that 10% growth for 8 years only barely helped the country to get back to where it was. The growth was even higher in WW II, but was still an outstanding 4% in the 1950s and late 1940s. It grew to 5% in the 1960s (at a time when taxes on the wealthy were as high as 80%), before dropping to 3% in the 1970s under both Nixon and Carter, both economic conservatives (most people don't know that Carter was big on deregulation). Then came Reagan. Economic grown drooped to 2%, though stock market investments went though the roof. But other than the investment and finance industries, every segment of the American economy slumped. It stayed at 2% under Bush 41, and then went up to 4% under Clinton. Then it crashed to barely over 1% under Bush 43. Under Obama it has been just under 3%, but notice that economic grown is always at its worse under Republican presidents and much better under Democrats. This is almost exclusively because the GOP keeps adhering to the absurd notion that tax cuts create wealth for the general populace, whereas what it really does is shift money to the upper echelons of society.
To me, we all ought to be in a state of u2000tter fury ALL THE TIME. We need to return to policies closer to those of the thirties, forties, fifties, and sixties, that created vastly more wealthy and distributed it more fairly.
I don't think Whedon is angry enough. And I know most people I know aren't mad enough as well. And to me a complete idiot like Donald Trump, who has a long history of being a part of the problem and has no qualifications to run for political office, ought to make us all so angry that we demand both parties give us candidates who push issues that really will help reverse the steep decline the country has been in since Reagan took office. Another ten or fifteen years of free market fundamentalism could lead to a complete and total collapse of our economy.
So yeah, political anger such permeate everything all of us do
Yey, well that is all YOUR opinion. Clinton was also a third-way moderate Democrat who implemented a lot of pro-business policies and had the burgeoning internet of the time to boost his economy. FDR was a racist who pushed us into war and imprisoned millions of innocent Japanese Americans and is somehow seen as a hero to those on the left. The economy actually really didn't pick up until the war, which finally put a lot of money into people's pockets. We are now on a slow march to socialism and ruin thanks to the policies of people like Obama and this Bernie Sanders nutt who wants to come in and turn America into the Soviet Union. Obama is also slowly turning this country into a third world pit thanks to his open border policies. We will also soon be a northern extension of Mexico if people like Obama isn't stopped soon. The economy was also much better in the '80s than it is now. I did much better under Bush than I have ever done under Oblunder..and I am far from a rich person. We are slowly becoming a nation who wants to punish success and reward laziness and stupidity. It is going to lead to our downfall. Hollywood People like Joss Whedon don't live in the real world and anyone who takes them seriously needs to be committed. -
domissj — 10 years ago(November 22, 2015 12:31 PM)
100% agree with you. And to all the people that complains about Joss Whedon's ideas and he should only write "fantasy tv" i told them that a quality sci-fi or fantasy story HAS to talks also about social issues,using metephors or even directly,but a quality story HAS to deal with social issues. Anyway,Joss Whedon himself said a lot of times that he doesn't want to do political propaganda,he just tells the story he wants with the philosophy he feels,like every artist does.
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caulfield_17 — 10 years ago(February 08, 2016 05:08 AM)
Joss needs to stick to entertaining me. I don't care and neither should the average audience member about his thoughts on current politics. He's at comic con introducing a panel and turns it into a political bash against Donald Trump. We don't need your commentary to know Donald Trump is stupid and not in touch with the American people. Please Donald Trump can run for president but get real he won't win. Make a DC comic book movie to make people like DCs comic book characters beyond Superman and Batman!!!
"dont be intellectual and relevant"
"be superficial and vapid"ignores fact that most political sentiments dont exist in isolation and originate from personal philosophies which one would expect an artist to portray in their works
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dragonsheart-1 — 9 years ago(April 24, 2016 10:50 PM)
We don't need your commentary to know Donald Trump is stupid and not in touch with the American people.
Please Donald Trump can run for president but get real he won't wi
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To the OP, do you still feel that way?
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RoyWilliamsbeatsCoachK — 9 years ago(July 17, 2016 04:27 AM)
Donald Trump is a gift to Democrats. Joss Whedon should love Trump since he gave the Democrats an easy 2016 victory. Hillary would have been in a dogfight against the other candidates and was losing in the polls to Cruz, Rubio, and Kasich. Instead she will win double digits. Every Democrat should thank the Trump primary voters. You may hate who they are, but nobody worked harder for a Clinton victory than they did.
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theater_dreamer — 9 years ago(September 23, 2016 06:15 PM)
I respect that Joss is using his position to try and keep this country safe. Donald Trump as President would be one of the worst disasters for this country; he could fell our financial system, and create an even more dangerous world with his reckless rhetoric, and impulsive behavior. And, if you don't think he could win (I realize your original post was written over a year ago), you're wrong. Assumption is the mother of all F ups, and the polls show that Hillary is only ahead by about 6 points in the latest
MSNBC/Wall Street Journal Poll
. Some of the swing state votes have tightened considerably. It is frightening to see how many ignorant, hateful people there are in this country, people with whom Trump's parlor games resonate.
I refer to Edmund Burke's famous quote:
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
To assume Trump can't, or won't win, is foolish. If we operate under that assumption, and do 16d0nothing to ensure that he never sits in the Oval Office, he will be sitting there come January. I'm 45, and while every election has a lasting impact on our future as a nation, this is the most important election of my lifetime. Everybody needs to exercise their right to vote. We cannot let this demagogue win the Presidency.
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Paul_Campell — 9 years ago(September 23, 2016 07:43 PM)
Wrong on all counts. Trump is the last thing that can save our country from complete destruction.
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burun100 — 9 years ago(September 24, 2016 08:56 AM)
I respect that Joss is using his position to try and keep this country safe. Donald Trump as President would be one of the worst disasters for this country; he could fell our financial system, and create an even more dangerous world with his reckless rhetoric, and impulsive behavior. And, if you don't think he could win (I realize your original post was written over a year ago), you're wrong. Assumption is the mother of all F ups, and the polls show that Hillary is only ahead by about 6 points in the latest MSNBC/Wall Street Journal Poll. Some of the swing state votes have tightened considerably. It is frightening to see how many ignorant, hateful people there are in this country, people with whom Trump's parlor games resonate.
I refer to Edmund Burke's famous quote:
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
To assume Trump can't, or won't win, is foolish. If we operate under that assumption, and do 2000nothing to ensure that he never sits in the Oval Office, he will be sitting there come January. I'm 45, and while every election has a lasting impact on our future as a nation, this is the most important election of my lifetime. Everybody needs to exercise their right to vote. We cannot let this demagogue win the Presidency.
Never for the sake of peace and quiet deny your convictions-Dag Hammarskjold
Ridiculous post.
Clinton is a FAR bigger danger than Trump. PS I dislike Trump too. IMO the guy's a complete wanker, but compared to Clinton he is far, far less dangerous for the following reasons.
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Hillary has a much worse foreign policy record than the Donald
TBF we don't really know what his is, but he was against the Iraq War (though only after it started, but still it was not long after it)
He also has expressed interest in working with Russia and Assad in taking on Isis and has already struck up amicable relations with Putin and other world leaders.
Now I am not fan of Assad either. He is a ruthless dictator but sadly the way Syria is now a ruthless dictator is the better option as it is a step closer to secularism. Getting rid of Assad is what Isis who are a bigger danger want. It will be another Iraq War, Libya type of situation where the country is shattered to bits and Islamic extremism is allowed to rise.
Hillary Clinton meanwhile has in the past voted in favour of the war with Iraq, voted in favour of a war with Iran (which even the most Hawkish Republicans were against. When one of them told her he was ashamed of her for voting for it she laughed in his face!) She also played the key role in the disasters in Libya and Honduras and she laughed with sheer sadistic glee when Gaddaffi was dragged through the streets and tortured to death!
"WE CAME, WE SAW, HE DIED!"
She has also in the past threatened to totally obliterate Iran and said that she intends to create a no fly zone over Syria. Both of these things risk a full scale war with Russia which could potentially lead to WW3 with Russia, Iran and China on one side and America on the other.
Plus she plans to topple Assad which again is another Iraq/Libyan crisis and will surely allow Isis to grow in strength.
Plus people go on about Trumps rhetoric? Hillary has told Putin he has no soul, and compared him to Hitler!
The world is closer to a full scale global conflict than ever before. China, and Russia's relations with America are very poor and all have atomic weapons aimed at each other. And you want to put a woman with the most appalling war record in charge of America at this point?
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She is mentally and physically unwell
Hillary Clinton has had a number of seizures in public, not to mention multiple coughing fits, she has had to have people help her get up a flight of stairs, and into a f^cking van! And this is before we get to her fits of uncontrollable laughter and her freezing on stage a few times including one instance where her handler had to come over and help her get through it.
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She is a sexist
Its funny that people go on about Trump being a vile sexist because he made some crass remarks about women's looks. Okay I don't like that but Hillary Clinton has said that women are the victims of war as they lose their fathers, children, and husbands.
Imagine if Donald Trump had said something like that, "when a woman dies in childbirth her husband is the real victim as he has to raise their child alone". You would all want his head. Hillary also said she intends for women to be always be believed when they make accusations of rape which is a disasterous policy.
Yes women should be listened to but they should only be believed if their case has any proof, the same with any crime. Here is a good vid Christina Hoff Sommers did n Clintons hypocrisy
Hillary is once again being a lying opportunist. She silenced, even possibly killed women that her husband Bill raped yet has milked the woman/feminist card for all its worth.
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She has an abysmal political record
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theblackestmagic — 9 years ago(November 03, 2016 12:39 PM)
AND she seems to be hell bent on getting into some sort of confrontational conflict with Putin and Russia. Not a very wise thing to want to do with a country that possesses the enormous amount of nuclear weaponry and arsenal that Russia has right in its very grasp. At least Trump has the sense to say that we really shouldn't try and make a heated enemy out of Russia and instead to make some sort of conscience effort to work alongside them, rather than maintaining the ever growing antagonistic attitude towards both countries that Clinton very much appears to want to continually push on with. And this antagonistic attitude that Clinton continues to show towards Russia could eventually spiral completely out of control and put us all in the very worst position imaginable.
"A cynic is what an idealist calls a realist" - H.G. Wells