His ethnicity?
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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — Jack Warden
60desapio — 20 years ago(June 21, 2005 10:36 AM)
I was surprised to see Warden's real name, Lebzelter. I am not sure if this is a Jewish name or not. Considering his red hair and his boxing background, I always thought Warden was Irish, but red hair can also be a sign of Jewish heritage. Does anyone know his real ethnicity? Personally, my first guess would be that he is of non-Jewish German descent.
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jonchopwood — 19 years ago(July 10, 2006 06:31 AM)
Lebzelter is a term meaning "Baker of honey cake" (an occupation of beekeepers; the other occupation is pulling candles from the wax the bees made to store the honey) and is used by the Bulkes people people who were ethnic Germans living in a part of Hungary that became part of Yugoslavia. (They were removed from the area ethnically cleansed by the Red Army in 1944.) The Bulkes were a group of expatriate Germans known generally as Donauschwaben people as many originated from Schwabia*.
http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/ESE/dschwaben.html- "Schwabia is an old name for the land, people and culture of most
southwestern Germany. Schwabia was bordered by the French on the west,
the Alps on the south, the Bavarian Highland on the east and Frankish Germans
on the north (refer to map.) Schwabia was once under the rule of a variety of
medieval kings. The strongest Kingdon emerged as Wurrtenburg, a kingdom
that existed until 1871 when it was incorporated into the United German Reich.
"Schwabia or Wurrtemburg is a hilly and forested area with valleys of
vineyards, Orchards and wheat fields. The fabled Black Forest boarders its
western edge. The Schwabish-Worrtemburgers, are known for their thrift and
craftsmanship. It is a heavily populated province with the well-known cities of Stuttgart and Ulm."
- "Schwabia is an old name for the land, people and culture of most
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Talking_To_The_Bobs — 19 years ago(July 21, 2006 05:31 PM)
He was Jewish.
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MrBlondNYC — 19 years ago(July 22, 2006 09:51 AM)
Costello is actually an Irish name. The only Italians I know of named Costello changed their names to that: Lou Costello (real name Cristillo) and Frank Costello (real name Castiglia). Other than their descendants, everyone named Costello is Irish.
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valkatz — 19 years ago(July 22, 2006 03:33 PM)
Maybe you have "never heard of anyone associating the redhead attribute to someone of Jewish ancestory". Obviously you didn't know my grandmother & her three daughters & son who had naturally red (more auburn)hair! My natural hair color has some auburn highlights throughout. You're also correct that red hair is typically Irish-several of my friends with Irish heritage have red hair. Although this is really interesting & I've learned so much here; why are we all so concerned what his religion was? Remember that Jewish is a religion, even though you're comparing it to Irish, which is referring to a country. There are Jews from many countries, even China.
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Catdubh — 18 years ago(June 17, 2007 05:44 PM)
Are you sure?
His original last name sure wasn't Irish.
He was Jewish and Irish. I am aquatinted with his niece. Her father I believe, was born in Sligo.
Jack's mother was Irish, Costello, was her maiden name (which is IRISH) and his father was German-Jewish. I don't know much more but you can also read his biography, it states he was of Irish and German2000-Jewish lineage.
I am not sure why that is so hard for people to accept. There are a LOT of Irish Catholic girls, who marry Jewish boys, and vice-versa, especially back east, New Jersey and New York. I believe Jack was born in New Jersey.
Really, not that uncommon.
Sean Penn's parents were Russian Jewish (Dad), and Irish Catholic (Mom).
Robert DeNiro's Mom was Irish (and maybe French, too) and his Dad was German & Italian (although, I don't know if DeNiros Dad was Jewish)
Matthew Broderick's Dad's family was from Donegal and his mom is Jewish.
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MichaelMartinDeSapio — 12 years ago(July 06, 2013 05:59 AM)
In light of more recent inquiries in the years since I started this thread, it would appear that Jack Warden was not Jewish. See the discussion on his Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jack_Warden. Wikipedia lists him as being of Pennsylvania German and Irish descent. It would appear that the belief that Warden was Jewish is based on an erroneous statement in his obituary in the L.A. Times.
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Catdubh — 12 years ago(July 07, 2013 06:40 PM)
It would appear that the belief that Warden was Jewish is based on an erroneous statement in his obituary in the L.A. Times.
Obituaries, are sometimes erroneous. Wikipedia, is a terrific source but I am still not convinced he wasn't part Jewish.
Jack's not dead! Jack would never die without telling me, first!