mao zedong.yeahmore like mao zeDONG!!!!!
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bradp7 — 19 years ago(May 07, 2006 04:03 AM)
I'm say that there is nothing like a dame, or in this case
The
Dame, the person who posted that crap about mao zeDONG (get it? I sure as heck don't). The song I quoted is from the musical South Pacific, which I have never seen, but I know about it from a spoof
The Goodies
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philipadams_ — 19 years ago(June 26, 2006 02:25 AM)
Why didn't he start with capitalism
Why would you apply communism
To such an unindustrialised nation
That is not what Marx said in his presentation
Mao Zedong
Ruled for long
But its wrong
That he did a good job
Its a fact
That
He was whack
And as thick as the fog
Mao Zedong
You were wrong!
Right now China could be
The top economy
Instead of only number three
Yeah! Heah! Heah heah!
But he gets praise
For China's faze
Of positive ways
But anyone could've done that!
All anyone needs for this is
Some versatile workforces
Plentiful resources
And you've got yourself an economy
Don't forget
He was a red
And this meant
China's potential was limited
It wasn't 'til when
Deng
That China got the bling
Cause he went cappo
Some fools
Think he rules
What a bunch of idiots!
"We're all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the sewerage."- TISM
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Jemarus — 19 years ago(December 30, 2006 10:42 AM)
I think the first person was referring to pronunciation. I think he meant that the name was zeDONG rather than Tse-TUNG. I pronounced it zeDONG at first, but now I am starting to say Tse-TUNG.
I gotta get a bazooka! -
umberto_scalli — 18 years ago(October 24, 2007 10:51 AM)
Socialism in an underdeveloped country1c84 is ideal because it permits the government to manage development in a manner impossible in a classical capitalist system. Such countries always end up as permanent bottom-feeders in the global economy with feudal lords or hacienda owners sending their money overseas while peasants slave away for them. Most people continue to be uneducated and without access to health care, but, as Anastasio Somoza Debayle said, "We don't need educated people, we need oxen!".
The East Asian tigers all practiced a sort of socialism or what may be described as "authoritarian capitalism" that included land reform and a great deal of government control over development. This was done because the U.S. allowed them to in order to help these places do better than China and North Korea so as to protect them from possibly being taken over by people loyal to these two places.
In Mao's China, people were educated and had access to health care in a manner that hadn't happened before. There were disruptions as in the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution but there was a great increase in population and life expectancy there, which is one of the reasons that the One Child policy was adopted in the '80s. Surely, as compared with India, the communist system provided benefits. People say that Mao killed 60 million people, many in the Great Leap which surely was not intentional, but China's population increased so much as compared with India's, infant morality was far less and life expectancy much more. So he in fact saved millions who would have died also
China of course could not easily develop further with the existing Mao system because they needed access to technology and had to be able to develop technology themselves. The Deng Xiaoping reforms permitted this by sending many Chinese to the West for education and inviting Western companies in with their technology. The People's Commune system was modified to increase incentives for the peasants to increase their yields, and Village and Township Enterprises were set up, under the aegis of the local authorities and villages. These are almost a semi-capitalist version of the Great Leap Forward idea of creating small industrial concerns in the agricultural communes
This happened in a way because of Chairman Mao. When Stalin had challengers in the party, he had them killed. This included Nikolai Bukharin, who had he succeeded Stalin, would probably gone on a Deng-style series of reforms. The result was that the successors were very much stuck in certain kinds of thinking. Mao would deal with deviations by stripping said person of rank, send the person to the countryside for "re-education" and bring him back when said to be rehabilitated, though usually when he was needed to stay in power. So Deng lost his post in the Cultural Revolution, was brought back in 1973 after Mao's successor plotted to assassinate him and died in a mysterious plane crash, was stripped of his posts as a "capitalist roader" who "still doesn't understand class struggle" in 1976 following the Tiananmen Square disturbances there, but was able to regain his titles under the new Chairman Hua in 1977 -
umberto_scalli — 18 years ago(November 20, 2007 11:04 PM)
Chairman Mao said in 1958, of the new Commune and Brigade Enterprises, "Our great, bright, magnificent hope lies right in here."
They were set up during the Great Leap Forward to bring industry to rural areas, with industries run at the local level, not at the central government level. His opponents, led by Liu Shaoqi, wanted to centralise everything. When Liu became State Chairman in 1959 and consolidated his power a couple of years later, he reversed many of these Leap policies, the Commune and Brigade Enterprises were mostly shut down
Mao's plans included also the building of small hydroelectric stations in the rural areas, as well as the construction of industries to produce fertiliser and cement and other items to improve agriculture, and also terracing, reforestation, construction of irrigation systems. These were built by taking advantage of the surplus labour available in rural areas; there were too many people there for the existing work that had to be done. So Mao thought why not use them to build things to advance the economy.
Liu wanted to keep central control, and wanted a Stalin-style rural system where tractors and so forth would be under state control. Mao wanted the villages to own the tractors. This dispute helped trigger the Cultural Revolution in 1966..
When Mao reestablished power, the CBEs were brought back as a central part of economic strategy. He decentralised the economy again and these new enterprises grew exponentially through the 1970s. By his death, his successors agreed that they were here to stay.
Under Deng Xiaoping, CBEs continued their rapid growth. They helped drive the economic miracle. They ended up employing hundreds of millions of people. When he replaced the People's Communes with the Townships in 1984, they were renamed Township and Village Enterprises.
Much of what we buy here in the West were built in these places, ridiculed when they were started5b4 during the Great Leap Forward. Remember that it was Mao who wanted to decentralise and pursued a "small is good" strategy. His opponents led by Liu Shaoqi wanted a Soviet-style development. Eventually, Deng Xiaoping, who was close to Liu during that period, had to admit that Mao was right.
