British Accent?
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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — Elizabeth Hartman
TheQueenisDead — 16 years ago(August 14, 2009 12:59 PM)
Just saw this behind the scenes reel about her as she got cast/directed in A Patch of Blue. Why does she have a British accent? Did everyone before New Hollywood talk like she did?
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GamaRex — 13 years ago(October 02, 2012 08:18 PM)
I caught that behind the scenes short on Turner just now. Even if the accent could be described as "mid-Atlantic," it's certainly affected. The surprising portion was a "Personality Test" where Elizabeth was presumably to be herself, not a character. Nobody who grew up in Youngstown would speak that way naturally. "Pitts-bug" indeed! It's possible that she was absorbing the accents of the studio personnel conducting the interview, who all seemed to be British. She sounded great, though, and gave a sense of the acting ability she shows in movies.
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BunnyCake — 13 years ago(October 03, 2012 05:07 AM)
Hi GamaRex -
I watched the same. She had an affected accent, no doubt. Perhaps because she was a novice she was trying to lose her small-town girl mannerisms and appear more glamorous to Hollywood producers?
Off topic - I thought the "inclusion on film" discussions were unnecessary considering the various decades these movies were made. I happen to like the "blindness as a plot device" aspect. It's what makes a movie art rather than a documentary (unless you are filming a documentary!).
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GamaRex — 13 years ago(October 03, 2012 02:39 PM)
Hi, JulieCruiseDirector,
I'm afraid I missed the Turner "inclusion" discussions and simply caught part of the short before the movie, and returned after the movie was in progress. I've seen "Patch of Blue" many times, for the storyline as well as the performances of the two leads. The people in Selina's family circle are played just as well, but are very hard to watch.
I've liked Elizabeth Hartman in all her main movies, and have seen most. I found that her accent in the short (probably "A Cinderella Named Elizabeth," 1965) bothered me because it made her seem inauthentic, in a setting where she was expected to portray herself. It's a minor thing, of course, and the accent she used was actually appealing. I wonder if she used the accent for that audition knowing it was being filmed for promotional purposes in addition to being an audition?
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BunnyCake — 13 years ago(October 04, 2012 10:17 AM)
Hi GamaRex -
Every Tuesday in October TCM will feature "inclusion" in cinema, which is a fine idea, but Ben and his guest discussed the realism (or not so) of each film. Personally I'm not sure why that's even necessary.
In the short Hartman did seem to be "acting." And you're right, the short was obviously a PR promo after she already had been cast. In the '30s, '40s and '50s actresses often used phony British-sounding accents, but not so in the '60s.
She was so troubled maybe she wanted to present herself in public as being anything other than what she was feeling inside. I've seen her in "The Beguiled" but nothing else.
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GamaRex — 13 years ago(October 04, 2012 07:48 PM)
Hi, JulieCruiseDirector,
The personal troubles could very well be her rationale for preventing the public from seeing what she saw to be herself. I read the "People" article you posted in another thread. A very sad life.
"The Beguiled" is very good. I can recommend "You're A Big Boy Now" if there's an opportunity to see it. It seems to be the only comedy of her peak period movies. It has a fine cast and some wonderful New York City settings. I see that it's on DVD, and I may get it. I hope it holds up as well as I remember it.
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PretoriaDZ — 10 years ago(March 16, 2016 10:14 AM)
And Madonna has now lost her "British" accent. Very fake indeed. Can't blame her son for being embarrassed that she refuses to grow older gracefully but continues writhe around the stage like a 25 year old. I think she'd like to be Marlene Dietrich but she reminds me of Mae West.
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Steamboy — 13 years ago(April 04, 2013 03:19 PM)
I thought she sounded British too, at times, in The Beguiled. Perhaps simply her parents were British? All we know is that she was born in Ohio, it doesn't mean that she was all American.
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