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sheetsadam1 — 10 months ago(May 24, 2025 02:43 AM)
I'd say adjacent. I was an emo kid for a brief time - largely to talk to emo chicks - and in my small town high school we were lumped in with the goth kids and I did end up becoming friends with some of them.
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️ — 10 months ago(May 24, 2025 02:48 AM)I was emo in HS too. I had nuance with the style though. At one point I had long dyed black hair and looked more gothic. Now I would call myself Goth adjacent or maybe low-key Goth. I'll always love dark stuff. Nearly always I am wearing something with a skull on it, or a memento mori or a cross necklace and my nails are always black. It wasn't a phase mom.
Nice to meet a other former emo though!Twiz was one also but leaning into the Scene side of things.
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sheetsadam1 — 10 months ago(May 24, 2025 02:58 AM)
One of the nice things about living in a small rural town with a nearby college and fledgling arts scene is that everybody supports everybody. You'll see the goths, the punks, the metalheads and the hipsters at the basement punk show one night and at the coffee shop's bluegrass jam the next lol
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IsraHell — 10 months ago(May 24, 2025 03:13 AM)
Goth adjacent. I kind of take a postmodern/buffet approach to subculture. If I had to take on a label, it'd be the blanket term alternative. Maybe punk, since most of the subcultures I'm into derive at least partially from it. Goth is one of the earliest offshoots.
I feel like goth was a part of me from early on, before I ever heard the word. I liked dressing innall black. I liked spooky things. I was a little weird kid. -
sheetsadam1 — 10 months ago(May 24, 2025 03:27 AM)
Maybe punk, since most of the subcultures I'm into derive at least partially from it
Out of curiosity, what do you define as the big bang of punk? Obviously the late '70s is when it entered the zeitgeist in a major way. But after reading Lester Bangs'
Psychotic Reactions and Carburetor Dung
and Lenny Kaye's liner notes to
Nuggets
(and listening to the music they were both writing about obviously), I believe it existed in primitive form at least a decade earlier.
I have a particular affinity for Patti Smith, Johnny Thunders and his various projects, Jim Carroll, Lou Reed/Velvet Underground, Suicide, the Modern Lovers, Television and, of course, the Ramones. But lately Magazine and Roky Erickson have featured heavily in my rotation as well.
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IsraHell — 10 months ago(May 24, 2025 03:39 AM)
It's like the evolution of life. No specific thing you can really pinpoint. The ingredients were there since at least the onset of rock and roll. You could say early punk was basically rock and roll in its purest form. Like the 50's has rock and roll music that could be grouped in with punk.
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But yeah, I guess punk was codifed in the late 70's, but with the spirit and sound being formed decades before.
Jim Carroll is underrated. I've read a couple of his books too. You can really hear his influence in Tim from Rancid and Op Ivy's vocals… or maybe heroin does that to your voice.
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sheetsadam1 — 10 months ago(May 24, 2025 04:01 AM)
I actually saw the documentary on them around the time that it came out and meant to sit down and listen to them and never got around to it. Thanks for the reminder! I really like that track.
My favorite "unheard at the time" band from that era is Rocket from the Tombs. You've probably heard this by the Dead Boys or even Guns n Roses, but I prefer the original:
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The song was written by Peter Laughner and his review of Lou Reed's Coney Island Baby, paired with Lester Bangs' obituary of him, actually inspired some of the major themes in the novel I'm writing.
Laughner's review:
https://carellaross.com/rant-archive/blog/lou-reed-coney-island-baby-review-by-peter-laughner
For Bangs' obituary, Google "Peter Laughner is Dead." It opens as a PDF.
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IsraHell — 10 months ago(May 24, 2025 04:15 AM)
Heard of them but never got around to listening. Heard the Dead Boys version.
There was a 90's punk band called Rocket from the Crypt that had to have gotten their name from them lol.
As far as Death goes, I heard the band first. I forgot how, but then I heard there was a movie coming out soon after.